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Folks- I'm not putting all the blame for the up and down year on Frank, but
there were some down right bad coaching moves/or lack there of in the Clemson game(s). Plus not getting the players attention and getting 100% out of them has to be laid at Frank's feet. I still stay one more year but it best improve or we move on. What are your thoughts??
OSU-DNA
06-02-2009, 07:44 AM
We under achieved this year for the first time in Frank's tenure, so no I don't see this as a one more year or out situation.
Frank continues to operate under a huge handicap versus his peers. Did you happen to catch the OU facilities video they placed in the Bedlam series telecast? Just a year ago, we were envisioning facilities at the top end of the college arms race. We will now be in our current low end of the Big-12 facilities for another 2-3 years.
Our administration has also contributed to issues as well with this mismanagement resulting in us losing one of BB scholarships. Given these scholarships are spread to 2-4 players that is a significant loss of talent.
From a coaching perspective, Frank develops pitchers which is what is required for tournament play. Our offense in prior years has been solid, this year we have not developed the thrust of prior years and this obviously needs a review as to why.
But our overall issue seems to be defensive misplays. The errors are obvious, but the misplays of fly balls that are not recorded as errors is shocking. Frank will obviously do his own review and I would expect changes there as well.
legelegel
06-02-2009, 08:41 AM
From a coaching perspective, Frank develops pitchers which is what is required for tournament play. Our offense in prior years has been solid, this year we have not developed the thrust of prior years and this obviously needs a review as to why.
Hear, hear.
FloridaPoke
06-02-2009, 08:57 AM
With aluminum bats, the normal advantage to pitching is lessened to a significant extent. You have to have power and hitting for consistency in the college game regardless of the quality of your starters or bull pen. Of course, defense and minimizing errors is equally important, but coaches that emphasize pitching and defense at the expense of power eventually get lit up.
I think college ball needs to be developed as a professional feeder organization more, including moving to wood bats. 35 runs in one game (FSU) and 10-15 runs regularly is NOT BASEBALL.
I don't care what they do with the ball and softening the bats, it changes the way the game was meant to be played with pitching, defense, error free ball......where only the truly talented hitters prevail.
legelegel
06-02-2009, 09:10 AM
All good points, FP, but the Pokes had good hitting and it was pitching that always shut it down in the end at Omaha. We needed a good one two punch on the mound during the Ward years that would have helped the hitting, but Ward only had that one go to guy each and every season. Anderson is recruiting that pitching now for the first ever.
FloridaPoke
06-02-2009, 09:10 AM
Not quite ready for prime time players (college players not ready for minor league ball) are usually hitters and fielders. The Andy Oliver's of this world are few and far between, as quality pitchers get drafted high enough to avoid the college route. That wasn't as true in the Ward years.
legelegel
06-02-2009, 09:16 AM
Not quite ready for prime time players (college players not ready for minor league ball) are usually hitters and fielders. The Andy Oliver's of this world are few and far between, as quality pitchers get drafted high enough to avoid the college route. That wasn't as true in the Ward years.
I'm not so sure I would agree with you on that last part. MLB has always ponied up the money for good arms at the expense of college baseball. You will have to do more to convince me that it was different in the Ward years.
Good pitching will in the long run, always beat good hitting.
Give me just two good ones on the mound and I will beat the socks off you two out of three times over and over.
CaliforniaCowboy
06-02-2009, 10:11 AM
I thought he got 100% out of them, and they over achieved.
Go Frank.
CC over achieved...as in lack of talent?
CaliforniaCowboy
06-02-2009, 02:39 PM
Most prognisticators had most of the conference rated above us; and Baseball America didn't even rate us preseason. (everybody pitched a fit and tried to poo-poo it by calling BA a bad service... but looks like they got the last laugh).
I didn't think we'd get all that far, but I was plesantly surprised after our OOC schedule... I figured we'd get a regional bid, but go home early; we almost advance to the Super.. I was very surprised.
I know a lot of our fans over hyped the team, but over hyping does not mean under achieving, IMHO.
CC thanks, and side bar issue: You think your comments could also
be applied to football this year?? Just wondering!
CaliforniaCowboy
06-02-2009, 04:17 PM
You think your comments could also
be applied to football this year?? Just wondering!
No. Apples and Oranges.
The baseball team changes many faces every year, and is an anomoly of college sports.
The returning football team is pretty much a known commodity, and we have practically the most experience as we've had in a long, long time; probably since that 2001 team Miles took over from Simmons.
CC: I do see much improvement in our FB talent pool...what I don't see
is enough of it nor is it near deep enough. I believe we are getting there, but can we stand 'prosperity', will the class ranking(s) continue to go up each year, will the D finally get better, will we have the overall team speed we need to compete with anybody/in any conference??? These to me are still the unknows along with can these coaches COACH, will the put the players in the right places at the right time so we have a chance to win. Time will tell.
I'm not negative about the FB program...I for one just still think we are 2 to 4 years away from telling if we are actually going to be competetive and if so will it be every year like the short Horns, soons, etc, etc.
IMO
Where as in BBall i see a major drop off in the last few years!
CaliforniaCowboy
06-03-2009, 07:37 AM
CC: I do see much improvement in our FB talent pool...what I don't see
is enough of it nor is it near deep enough. I believe we are getting there, but can we stand 'prosperity', will the class ranking(s) continue to go up each year, will the D finally get better, will we have the overall team speed we need to compete with anybody/in any conference??? These to me are still the unknows along with can these coaches COACH, will the put the players in the right places at the right time so we have a chance to win. Time will tell.
I'm not negative about the FB program...I for one just still think we are 2 to 4 years away from telling if we are actually going to be competetive and if so will it be every year like the short Horns, soons, etc, etc.
IMO
Where as in BBall i see a major drop off in the last few years!
... and for me, as somebody said, THIS is "next year".
I don't personally agree with any of your assessment, and it sounds negative to me.
We're ALREADY competing with everybody in the conference, beating highly ranked Missouri in Columbus, missing a chip shot FG to lose to Texas, OU beat us with our own turnovers and nothing more. Those tipped passes simply kept them in the game. Their last TD counts on the scoreboard, but was not a reflection of the game or the team.
I couldn't care less where our recruiting class is "ranked".
Sure, we have some unkowns, every team does this time of year; we had more unknowns last year.
baseball is an entirely different animal, since most of the really good propects go directly to the minor leagues, or go to JUCO so they won't have to sit out two years. The decent college kids get drafted in their junior seasons; just when they're starting to come on their own. The transfer rules have not helped college baseball.
Consider this, we have had more pitchers make the pros than at any time I can remember. (without looking up the numbers). Pitchers!
This is next year in football.
But CC...in baseball ASU as one example just reloads and let's 'em go if the pros come calling. mAYBE FACILITIES BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE TOTAL ANSWER??
Ref. football not neg. at all, does have a tinge of SHOW me the MONEY, tired of waiting til next year in it. But I agree , these should do about as good as anyone this year. If not then I honestly will be a 'hang dog' that will take a long time to change me back to seeing championship possibilities.
jbug
legelegel
06-03-2009, 12:09 PM
jbug, you need to quit worrying about what might not happen and just enjoy the ride. This year and the coming years will be interesting and enjoyable for all in Cowboy Country.
CaliforniaCowboy
06-03-2009, 12:27 PM
If not then I honestly will be a 'hang dog' that will take a long time to change me back to seeing championship possibilities.
jbug
yeah, tell that to Texas... ;)
as for ASU... that is an exception, not the rule... and it starts with consistency in coaching...
Head Coach: Pat Murphy (14th year) only the third head coach in
Arizona State’s modern baseball history. During his seven years at Notre Dame, Murphy led the Irish to an average of 45 wins a year. Murphy was the first head coach at Notre Dame to leave for another college head coaching job.
Arizona State’s recruiting classes have been
ranked nationally in the Top 12 in each of the past
nine years, including the class that will debut
in 2007.
a 2003 coaches survey published in
Baseball America ranked ASU’s baseball facilities
among the Top 15 in the nation.
ASU’s strength of schedule is
consistently ranked among the
national Top 10.
We'll get there grasshopper, but you are holding us up to the best in the country over the past few decades.
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