Dept Homeland Security: Rightwing Extremism

[CaliforniaCowboy]

Straight off the Obama presses!!

We have found the enemy, and the enemy is us.


Scope

This product is one of a series of intelligence assessments published by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch to facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the United States. The information is provided to federal, state, local, and tribal counterterrorism and law enforcement officials so they may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States. Federal efforts to influence domestic public opinion must be conducted in an overt and transparent manner, clearly identifying United States Government sponsors ip.

DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small ercentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.


http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

Polarized factions. The right wing brand are called militias and gun clubs. They are very, very real in red state land.

[OSUchris]

Straight off the Obama presses!!

We have found the enemy, and the enemy is us.


Scope

This product is one of a series of intelligence assessments published by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch to facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the United States. The information is provided to federal, state, local, and tribal counterterrorism and law enforcement officials so they may effectively deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States. Federal efforts to influence domestic public opinion must be conducted in an overt and transparent manner, clearly identifying United States Government sponsors ip.

DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small ercentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.


http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf

um... two words... Murrah Building???

Those guys weren't liberals...

[WyomingOSUAlum]

Was McVeigh a registered Republican? Was the Unabomber a registered Democrat?

[OSUchris]

Was McVeigh a registered Republican? Was the Unabomber a registered Democrat?

Probably not on either. But they weren't talking political parties, they were talking ideologies. I really believe that our chances of a domestic terror event are much higher these next 3.5-7.5 years than an international terrorism event. But hopefully neither happen.

[WyomingOSUAlum]

Probably not on either. But they weren't talking political parties, they were talking ideologies. I really believe that our chances of a domestic terror event are much higher these next 3.5-7.5 years than an international terrorism event. But hopefully neither happen.


Would you classify Hitler as being a right or left wing extremist?

[OSUchris]

Would you classify Hitler as being a right or left wing extremist?

Both.

[WyomingOSUAlum]

How were Hitler's right winged tendencies manifested? What did Hitler do that makes you think he was a right winger?

[OSUchris]

How were Hitler's right winged tendencies manifested? What did Hitler do that makes you think he was a right winger?


How does this apply to a 2009 domestic terror threat report? BTW the report says nothing about monitoring political parties or Republicans, it is specifically saying that the conditions exist like they did in the early '90s for people like McVeigh (GW1 Vet) to get recruited into militias. If the left had militias then it would mention those as well. But the last left wing homegrown terror group I remember was the Weathermen.

[snuffy]

How does this apply to a 2009 domestic terror threat report? BTW the report says nothing about monitoring political parties or Republicans, it is specifically saying that the conditions exist like they did in the early '90s for people like McVeigh (GW1 Vet) to get recruited into militias. If the left had militias then it would mention those as well. But the last left wing homegrown terror group I remember was the Weathermen.

The report does use the phrases neo-nazi's, anti-Semitic, anti-government militia's and other extreme right-wing groups. Groups similar to McViegh and Elome (sp) city, Eric Rudolph and the Michigan Militia.

[OSUchris]

FYI... Here is the left wing report issued a few months ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Leftwing_Extremist_Threat.pdf

[WyomingOSUAlum]

How does this apply to a 2009 domestic terror threat report? BTW the report says nothing about monitoring political parties or Republicans, it is specifically saying that the conditions exist like they did in the early '90s for people like McVeigh (GW1 Vet) to get recruited into militias. If the left had militias then it would mention those as well. But the last left wing homegrown terror group I remember was the Weathermen.



IMO, it applies the same way McVeigh is commonly thought of as being a right-winger: IT DOESN'T !!!!

Conservatives are for restrictions on the federal government, not for the elimination of it.

Liberals are for increasing government's role in our lives. Yet, anarchists are commonly referred to as left-wing extremists.

See what I'm getting at here? How can a person who wants to eliminate government altogether be thought of as a liberal? That makes no more sense to me than calling McVeigh a right-winger.

I'm tired of Nazi/skinhead/assholes being referred to as part of the right wing. NO, THEY ARE NOT.

IMO, political ideaology is better demonstrated by means of a circular model than a linear one.

[OSUchris]

IMO, it applies the same way McVeigh is commonly thought of as being a right-winger: IT DOESN'T !!!!

Conservatives are for restrictions on the federal government, not for the elimination of it.

Liberals are for increasing government's role in our lives. Yet, anarchists are commonly referred to as left-wing extremists.

See what I'm getting at here? How can a person who wants to eliminate government altogether be thought of as a liberal? That makes no more sense to me than calling McVeigh a right-winger.

I'm tired of Nazi/skinhead/assholes being referred to as part of the right wing. NO, THEY ARE NOT.

IMO, political ideaology is better demonstrated by means of a circular model than a linear one.

Extremism is dangerous which ever side it comes from.

[GoPokes83]

IMO I think the Patriot Act, (What a POS legislation!!) will be nothing compared to the restrictions placed on our individual freedoms under the new administration. Hope I'm wrong.

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[Lewis the Pike]

So... the government doesn't want anyone to point out out that people can make their own choices and take care of themselves.

I am seriously moving to Central America as soon as fessible, within the next 10 years;

There is a ton of money to be made here, but America has jumped the shark with Daddy-Day Care

[Lewis the Pike]

um... two words... Murrah Building???

Those guys weren't liberals...

What would make someone be driven to destroy a federal buildng?

http://madeinhead.org/anism/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/branch-davidian-792773.jpg

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/006000794X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Now I sincerely feel bad for the people that were injured, or killed in the building; It would have been better to limit civilian casualties, but an important message was sent in Oklahoma City.

If you push people around, they will retaliate.

[Verb]

Oh good lord...

Oklahoma City was criminal insanity and pure, unmitigated evil, period. It was not political activism.

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

...

If you push people around, they will retaliate.

People that want to play the victim with nothing to lose will always find a way to reassure themselves that they are being pushed around or disenfranchised in some manner. Timothy McVeigh was batshit crazy just like the next militia nut-job will be. Some people will never be content. Timothy McVeigh was one of those people.

[Lewis the Pike]

I agree Timothy McVeigh was insane, and reacted like a terrorist. Killing innocent people is never acceptable.

I had no problem with the building getting blown up, it was the disregard for human life (he was protesting against) that he showed as well.

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

???

How is that OK? Who blows up buildings? That's like sticking up a bank to get a loan.

[Lewis the Pike]

Would it be like dumping 342 chests of tea in the water?

[Erick]

I had no problem with the building getting blown up, it was the disregard for human life (he was protesting against) that he showed as well.

Did you graduate from the Bill Ayers School of Hippie Protest? Sorry, I have a huge problem with blowing up public property. Thankfully so do most Americans. We would have no buildings period if that was an acceptable way to protest.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

ah hem...

I think the point is the broad characterization of our fine fighting men and women being catagorically lumped into the class of "right wing radical" and/or "terrorists".

To even suggest that homeland security could be more compromised because we have troops returning from combat is anit-american in its rawest form.

This whole thing is a bunch of crap.

[Lewis the Pike]

Did you graduate from the Bill Ayers School of Hippie Protest? Sorry, I have a huge problem with blowing up public property. Thankfully so do most Americans. We would have no buildings period if that was an acceptable way to protest.

I had a problem with Ruby Ridge and Waco, as I believe most Americans would if they got the whole truth of what was going on. And not just the government's side.

I don't believe this is the only way to protest, Bill Ayers was a communist, that was my problem with his ideology, and he was a coward for not owning up to his actions.

There are laws of man, and laws of morality (of course everyone's line differs) It would be great when laws of our land coincide with morality, but when they don't, the people must demand what is right.

I am not a big fan of blowing things up, I think it would be a very last resort.
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PS I completely agree with the statement about our soldiers, Cali

[Lewis the Pike]

Why would people protest against the government?


that would be a more interesting question.

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

Good God Cali, the spin you are putting on this is actually altering tidal patterns. The returning vets are listed as being targeted by these groups for recruiting...and they are. You will find very few militias recruiting at starsbucks and jcrew.

[bleedorange]

I agree Timothy McVeigh was insane, and reacted like a terrorist. Killing innocent people is never acceptable.

I had no problem with the building getting blown up, it was the disregard for human life (he was protesting against) that he showed as well.


So when the Capitol empties tonight, and the White House empties because everyone's gone to the Sizzler for dinner, you'd have no problem with a whack job blowing them up as maybe a tax protest of sorts. Really?

Lewis, I swear, everytime I start to give you credit for having some sanity, you throw out these nutjob statements. Hopefully this was just some more harmless bad comedy.

[OSUchris]

Quite frankly, I think the left wing extremism report (which the right seems to be ignoring even exists...hmmm :) ) scares me a bit more. One of the findings of this report is that left wing wackos are more likely to use cyber-attacks rather than physical attacks. The cyber attack, has the potential to cause much-much more damage and even possibly more lives lost than any single bombing event would.

[snuffy]

So when the Capitol empties tonight, and the White House empties because everyone's gone to the Sizzler for dinner, you'd have no problem with a whack job blowing them up as maybe a tax protest of sorts. Really?

Lewis, I swear, everytime I start to give you credit for having some sanity, you throw out these nutjob statements. Hopefully this was just some more harmless bad comedy.

Reading some of the less famous writings of our founding fathers and you will think they are as crazy as Lewis then. Paine, Jefferson, James Otis and Franklin to name a few. They felt like they had no choice but to rebel and sometimes destroy crown (public)property. And some that are right wing extremist's read their writings, get fed up with the government and act.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

Good God Cali, the spin you are putting on this is actually altering tidal patterns. The returning vets are listed as being targeted by these groups for recruiting...and they are. You will find very few militias recruiting at starsbucks and jcrew.

thanks, but it's not my spin... I was just sharing what is going on in the real world for those of you locked up in your KFC Obama Bucket consisting of nothing but left wings.


Here's some commentary from the site I linked; but it's been all over the radio along with the college "training manuals" about how to deal with military returing to college and to "watch out" for them...



..targeted in the report are veterans, folks anticipating additional restrictions to their Second Amendment rights, and those concerned about the loss of U.S. sovereignty.

This report implies that one harboring these sorts of views is a racist as well as a potential terrorism suspect.


If you harbor views about keeping your guns, then you too are a potential terrorism suspect.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

Chorus of Protest Grows Over Report Warning of Right Wing Radicalization

Conservative groups are up in arms following a recent Department of Homeland Security report that warns of the possible radicalization of right-wing extremists.

The government considers you a terrorist threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or are a returning war veteran.

That's what House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Wednesday in response to a Department of Homeland Security report warning of the rise of right-wing extremist groups.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

Right. That's what he said. Luckily that is not what is in the report.

[legelegel]

I agree Timothy McVeigh was insane, and reacted like a terrorist. Killing innocent people is never acceptable.

I had no problem with the building getting blown up, it was the disregard for human life (he was protesting against) that he showed as well.

Are you sure you want to say that. I still have deep and sincere problems with our overstepping Federal government in Waco and Ruby Ridge, but I am far from condoning any attack on a Federal building. Most of what happened in those two locations can be laid on individuals who made bad decisions in the use of their police power. It wasn't an entire government out to get us all.

I'm not sure what it would take for me rise up against the leaders of our Federal government.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I'm not sure what it would take for me rise up against the leaders of our Federal government.

opressive Taxes, wasteful spending, socialism, and other tyranny...

Actually, I think we're already there. It's really that dire as far as I'm concerned.

I'll work within the structure to promote positive change, but if push comes to shove, I'm there.

This crap has to change before it becomes violent.

[WyomingOSUAlum]

Great, Lewis. Thanks for getting all of us added to a secret Watch List !!!!!

[legelegel]

opressive Taxes, wasteful spending, socialism, and other tyranny...

Actually, I think we're already there. It's really that dire as far as I'm concerned.

I'll work within the structure to promote positive change, but if push comes to shove, I'm there.

This crap has to change before it becomes violent.

Yes, the problem is that our current Federal leaders are catering to the have nots and in an effort to appease them they are willing to take about anything from the haves. There also is a growing number of those who think they are have nots.

[FloridaPoke]

The problem isn't today, as a top marginal rate of 35% has proven to be economically viable. Even if the top rate inches up to 38-39%, I really don't have a problem. But based on current spending, rates will have to oppressively almost double to keep us out of bankruptcy, and it is the delay between spending and taxation that is most troublesome.

How do you think this hypothetical scenario would play out?

a. A balanced budget amendment passes,
b. All Fed budgets must be completed and submitted by congress by October 31.
c. Tax bills are then calculated and distributed for 100% of the Federal Budget due to a. above on November 1.
d. Elections are held on November 5th.

If we footed 100% of the bill, and we knew the size of our invoice the week before the election, I believe wasteful spending would stop immediately........and the size of government would shrink almost every cycle.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

Nope, that's not good enough... I'm not just talking about the Federal tax rate, I'm talking about ALL taxes... State, sales, property, gasoline, excise, corporate, SS, Medical, inheritance, capital gains... etc., etc.

It's way, way, way beyond 50% right now; I'm guessing closer to 75% depending on where you live... and that's not including the "fees"; phone tax, hospitality tax and on and on.

I'd feel better about some of it if they would cut EVERYTHING 10% immediately... EVERYTHING... salaries, positions, departments, government handouts for farming and to foreign countries, grants... EVERYTHING... then see what else needs to go from there.