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Vulgar Display of Orange
03-05-2009, 09:41 PM
Anti-scarf bill draws concern (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090305_298_0_OKLAHO793247)

By MICHAEL McNUTT The Oklahoman NewsOK.com
Published: 3/5/2009 8:32 PM
Last Modified: 3/5/2009 8:32 PM

OKLAHOMA CITY — A national organization is asking the state Senate to defeat a bill that would prohibit Oklahomans from wearing head scarves or other coverings in driver’s license photographs. Another group says it will challenge the bill’s constitutionality.

“It is a matter of grave concern not only to the Sikh-American community, but also for members of other faiths who are required by their respective religions to wear religious head coverings,” said Raj-deep Singh Jolly, the legal director for the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund, an organization based in Washington, D.C.

“The motives behind this legislation appear to be suspect.”

Rep. Rex Duncan said a person’s religious beliefs have nothing to do with his proposal.

He said he wants uniform regulations for driver’s license photographs.

“It would just be equal treatment for everybody,” the Sand Springs Republican said. “It doesn’t matter whether you’re a cowboy and take off your cowboy hat; a nun. No glasses, no Harley-Davidson bandanas, nothing on your head, no masks, nothing.”

The House voted last month to pass Duncan’s proposal, which is included in House Bill 1645. The vote was 88-8.

Jolly said, “It appears as though it didn’t even occur to them that this legislation would impact members of diverse religions — observant Sikhs who wear turbans, observant Jews who wear kippahs.

“Fundamentally we just reject this piece of legislation. It’s illegal and it’s un-American.”

HB 1645 has an uncertain fate in the Senate because its Senate author, Sen. Roger Ballenger, said Thursday that he no longer will handle the bill, which started out as a measure with clean-up language requested by the Department of Public Safety.

“In talking with DPS, they didn’t request the amendment and they do not have a problem with the present law on facial identification on driver’s license photographs,” said Ballenger, D-Okmulgee.

“It appears to be a solution looking for a problem.”

Duncan said he wrote his proposal after a Muslim woman was allowed last month to wear her traditional head scarf, which is called a hijab, when she was photographed for her driver’s license.

She was told several months earlier that she couldn’t wear the scarf.

The Oklahoma City chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations intervened, and the Department of Public Safety said a head covering is permitted when taking the driver’s license photo as long as it does not obstruct or obscure a frontal view of the face from hairline to chin.

CAIR’s national organization said this week that it was asking U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to determine whether the Oklahoma bill would violate the Constitution. Duncan said he wrote his proposal because no state law defines what is permissible for driver’s license photos.

In 2007, Duncan refused to accept a Quran that was given to legislators by the Governor’s Ethnic American Advisory Council because he said the book encourages Muslims to kill those who do not believe in Islam.

His proposal in HB 1645 has nothing to do with religion, he said.

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Sweet. Another 100% guaranteed lawsuit. Any word on a budget yet guys?

OSUchris
03-05-2009, 10:17 PM
Anti-scarf bill draws concern (http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=298&articleid=20090305_298_0_OKLAHO793247)

By MICHAEL McNUTT The Oklahoman NewsOK.com
Published: 3/5/2009 8:32 PM
Last Modified: 3/5/2009 8:32 PM

OKLAHOMA CITY — A national organization is asking the state Senate to defeat a bill that would prohibit Oklahomans from wearing head scarves or other coverings in driver’s license photographs. Another group says it will challenge the bill’s constitutionality.

“It is a matter of grave concern not only to the Sikh-American community, but also for members of other faiths who are required by their respective religions to wear religious head coverings,” said Raj-deep Singh Jolly, the legal director for the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund, an organization based in Washington, D.C.

“The motives behind this legislation appear to be suspect.”

Rep. Rex Duncan said a person’s religious beliefs have nothing to do with his proposal.

He said he wants uniform regulations for driver’s license photographs.

“It would just be equal treatment for everybody,” the Sand Springs Republican said. “It doesn’t matter whether you’re a cowboy and take off your cowboy hat; a nun. No glasses, no Harley-Davidson bandanas, nothing on your head, no masks, nothing.”


Right!!! I for one have never had to take my glasses off...


The House voted last month to pass Duncan’s proposal, which is included in House Bill 1645. The vote was 88-8.

Jolly said, “It appears as though it didn’t even occur to them that this legislation would impact members of diverse religions — observant Sikhs who wear turbans, observant Jews who wear kippahs.

“Fundamentally we just reject this piece of legislation. It’s illegal and it’s un-American.”

HB 1645 has an uncertain fate in the Senate because its Senate author, Sen. Roger Ballenger, said Thursday that he no longer will handle the bill, which started out as a measure with clean-up language requested by the Department of Public Safety.

“In talking with DPS, they didn’t request the amendment and they do not have a problem with the present law on facial identification on driver’s license photographs,” said Ballenger, D-Okmulgee.

“It appears to be a solution looking for a problem.”

Duncan said he wrote his proposal after a Muslim woman was allowed last month to wear her traditional head scarf, which is called a hijab, when she was photographed for her driver’s license.

She was told several months earlier that she couldn’t wear the scarf.

The Oklahoma City chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations intervened, and the Department of Public Safety said a head covering is permitted when taking the driver’s license photo as long as it does not obstruct or obscure a frontal view of the face from hairline to chin.

CAIR’s national organization said this week that it was asking U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to determine whether the Oklahoma bill would violate the Constitution. Duncan said he wrote his proposal because no state law defines what is permissible for driver’s license photos.


Of course!!!


In 2007, Duncan refused to accept a Quran that was given to legislators by the Governor’s Ethnic American Advisory Council because he said the book encourages Muslims to kill those who do not believe in Islam.

His proposal in HB 1645 has nothing to do with religion, he said.


Again riiighhhhhttttt!!!! Damn Muslims!!!


Sweet. Another 100% guaranteed lawsuit. Any word on a budget yet guys?

What do you mean?? A 700+ million dollar deficit is a problem???

GoPokes83
03-06-2009, 08:37 AM
They went through this in TX. It gets around to the ol' "driving is a privilege" thing. It started when an Islamic woman wanted to get her DL with just her eyes showing. You gotta show your face now, but I think the ACLU is still involved so who knows.

Vulgar Display of Orange
03-06-2009, 08:57 AM
I don't see any other reason for rexy rex to introduce this bill other than to be a dick to minorities. Dps says it's cool as long as the face isn't obstructed. I just don't see the point. If this becomes law another easily-avoidable lawsuit is emminent.

Lewis the Pike
03-06-2009, 09:13 AM
an ID card is used to ID people, so it MAY freakin help to identify people.

I hate big government, but this is a good solid bill to me.

Vulgar Display of Orange
03-06-2009, 09:28 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/newsok-photos/543188/medium.jpg

Indistinguishable.

Come on rexy. We all know what this is about.

bleedorange
03-06-2009, 09:37 AM
Good bill. You want to drive? Take off the scarf.

Lewis the Pike
03-06-2009, 12:08 PM
Good bill. You want to drive? Take off the scarf.

exactly; I think it would also help with your periphial (sp?) vision as well.

Vulgar Display of Orange
03-06-2009, 12:12 PM
What does it have to do with one's ability to drive?

WyomingOSUAlum
03-06-2009, 12:39 PM
Wait a minute...do local meth cooks have to take off their OU ball caps prior to being photographed for their driver license or their booking photo at the jail?

Lewis the Pike
03-06-2009, 12:40 PM
What does it have to do with one's ability to drive?

If you are riding in a car, will you feel safer, if someone has a loose fitting head cover that may block their eyes, when they turn their head to look at traffic, or someone with no possible obstruction on their head?

It's simple freaking logic.

Therefore, if you are driving without a head obstruction; THEN YOUR FREAKING DRIVERS LISCENCE IDENTIFICATION CARD SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE EITHER!

:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

If you are baiting, well done, I hope you truly are, because this attempt is weaker then Gottlieb's free throw %

Lewis the Pike
03-06-2009, 12:43 PM
Another thing is if the scarf is that important to women, show some backbone, go back to wherever the country is where you can hide the bruises your husband gives you for picking up a book/asking a question/ walking too close behind him.

Citizenship is a privelge not a freaking right of the foreign born.

WyomingOSUAlum
03-06-2009, 01:17 PM
Settle down, Lewis. OU fans with mullets drive with much the same thing on their heads!

Vulgar Display of Orange
03-06-2009, 01:20 PM
So one should put their religious convictions aside while driving? It's not a safety issue at all. Dps has decided that no obstructions to the face is good enough. I posted the pic of the woman in question. She is identifiable. She will have no more limited vision than someone wearing a beanie and a scarf on a cold day. Why is a new law warranted? Someone please show me the accident report of the collision caused by someone wearing a turban or hijab. It isn't warranted. The current dps policy is fine the way it is.

Again, we all know what this is about. There is no identification issue. There is no safety issue. The only issue is that sexy rexy is trying to make life difficult for any Oklahoman that is non-wasp. Or guarantee tax dollars paying for the emminent lawsuit. One of the two.

WyomingOSUAlum
03-06-2009, 01:29 PM
She wants to cover her head, she needs to grow a mullet!

GoPokes83
03-06-2009, 03:30 PM
I'm with the "This just ain't safe", crowd on this one.
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