LOL... That Didn't take long....

[OSUchris]

I now pronounce you king of the GOP...

:)



Steele to Rush: I'm sorry
By: Mike Allen
March 2, 2009 05:58 PM EST

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says he has reached out to Rush Limbaugh to tell him he meant no offense when he referred to the popular conservative radio host as an “entertainer” whose show can be “incendiary.”

“My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. … There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.”

The dust-up comes at a time when top Democrats are trying to make Limbaugh the face of the Republican Party, in part by using ads funded by labor. Americans United for Change sent a fund-raising e-mail Monday that begins: “The Republican Party has turned into the Rush Limbaugh Party.”

Steele told CNN host D.L. Hughley in an interview aired Saturday night: “Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh — his whole thing is entertainment. He has this incendiary — yes, it's ugly.”

Steele, who won a hard-fought chairman's race on Jan. 30, told Politico he telephoned Limbaugh after his show on Monday afternoon and hoped that they would connect soon.

“I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren’t what I was thinking,” Steele said. "It was one of those things where I thinking I was saying one thing, and it came out differently. What I was trying to say was a lot of people … want to make Rush the scapegoat, the bogeyman, and he’s not."

“I’m not going to engage these guys and sit back and provide them the popcorn for a fight between me and Rush Limbaugh,” Steele added. “No such thing is going to happen. … I wasn’t trying to slam him or anything.”

On Monday’s show, Limbaugh reacted both to the comment and to the assertion on CBS’s “Face the Nation” by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel that the radio host is “the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican Party.”
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Limbaugh said: “I'm not in charge of the Republican Party, and I don't want to be. I would be embarrassed to say that I'm in charge of the Republican Party in the sad-sack state that it's in. If I were chairman of the Republican Party, given the state that it's in, I would quit. I might get out the hari-kari knife because I would have presided over a failure that is embarrassing to the Republicans and conservatives who have supported it and invested in it all these years.”

On the RushLimbaugh.com home page, the transcript is labeled: “A Few Words for Michael Steele.”

In the interview with Politico, Steele called Limbaugh “a very valuable conservative voice for our party.”

“He brings a very important message to the American people to wake up and pay attention to what the administration is doing," Steele said. "Number two, there are those out there who want to look at what he’s saying as incendiary and divisive and ugly. That’s what I was trying to say. It didn’t come out that way. … He does what he does best, which is provoke: He provokes thought, he provokes the left. And they’re clearly the ones who are most excited about him.”

Asked if he planned to apologize, Steele said: “I wasn’t trying to offend anybody. So, yeah, if he’s offended, I’d say: Look, I’m not in the business of hurting people’s feelings here. … My job is to try to bring us all together.”

© 2009 Capitol News Company, LLC

[OSUchris]

Almost better... Please Rush don't hurt me!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ElUnklj2RE

:)

[wickerbill]

Haha. You have to love that the Republicans bow down to a drugged out radio host who wants America to fail just so they can thump their chests and say they told us so. Then they can put one of their guys in who won't do any better because they're all a bunch of idiots who are more worried about partisan politics rather than getting something done.

[CowboyOrangeFan]

Question: Why is Rush Limbaugh even a topic of conversation? Who has brought him to the forefront the last couple of weeks? And for bonus points, what might be their motives for doing so?

[WyomingOSUAlum]

Question: Why is Rush Limbaugh even a topic of conversation? Who has brought him to the forefront the last couple of weeks? And for bonus points, what might be their motives for doing so?



Shut up! President Obama can talk about whoever he wants to! Your insolence will not be tolerated!






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[OSUchris]

Question: Why is Rush Limbaugh even a topic of conversation? Who has brought him to the forefront the last couple of weeks? And for bonus points, what might be their motives for doing so?

Because he seems to be the GOP's messiah now. I mean at least we dems don't have to beg forgiveness from Obama. But really the reason he is a topic is that it shows how pathetic the leadership of the party is now. If the GOP is the party of Rush and Coulter, then that is fine with me, but enjoy the permanent minority status.

[CowboyOrangeFan]

Because he seems to be the GOP's messiah now. I mean at least we dems don't have to beg forgiveness from Obama. But really the reason he is a topic is that it shows how pathetic the leadership of the party is now. If the GOP is the party of Rush and Coulter, then that is fine with me, but enjoy the permanent minority status.

If you are not a member of the GOP, why do you even give a sh!t? Your guys control everything. It seems like they would have much greater things to worry about than Rush Limbaugh. Why is the almighty's minions even wasting their breath on this guy? So again I ask, what might their motives be? Is it only because he is thin skinned? Or is there something else going on?

[OSUchris]

If you are not a member of the GOP, why do you even give a sh!t? Your guys control everything. It seems like they would have much greater things to worry about than Rush Limbaugh. Why is the almighty's minions even wasting their breath on this guy? So again I ask, what might their motives be? Is it only because he is thin skinned? Or is their something else going on?

It's politics, pure and simple. If the Democratic party can show the rest of America that the GOP is being led by talk radio hosts, and the party is rooting for failure, then it only continues to marginalize the GOP to the regions it currently controls. I really doubt BHO is sitting in his office everyday worrying about Rush and how to respond, but yes the political machine that surrounds him sees this as a great opportunity.

[Poke John I]

This is a great example of "When theives/desperados fall out, they start eating their own".

[bleedorange]

It's politics, pure and simple. If the Democratic party can show the rest of America that the GOP is being led by talk radio hosts, and the party is rooting for failure, then it only continues to marginalize the GOP to the regions it currently controls.

It's fear, pure and simple. Democrats are simply jealous they don't have a common voice. (I personally don't care for Rush, so he doesn't speak for my GOP) They tried with Air America and it was epic failure. They would like to have a voice but the best they can come up with are network news hounds and some flakes like the hate-mongers Olberman and Matthews.

If you can believe that the GOP is rooting for the country to fail for political motives, then you will surely see the connection to how the Donkeys are rooting for the USA to lose the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. :rollseyes:

Frankly the main entertainment value I find in Rush is that he makes you donkeys squirm. :biggrin:

[Roman Craig]

Haha. You have to love that the Republicans bow down to a drugged out radio host who wants America to fail just so they can thump their chests and say they told us so. Then they can put one of their guys in who won't do any better because they're all a bunch of idiots who are more worried about partisan politics rather than getting something done.

Epic failure.

We want OBAMA to fail. In most conservatives' opinion, Obama failing means that the country doesn't fail and avoids going down a track of monsterous, monsterous government and socialism.

If Obama fails, freedom and capitalism wins.

[OSUchris]

It's fear, pure and simple. Democrats are simply jealous they don't have a common voice. (I personally don't care for Rush, so he doesn't speak for my GOP) They tried with Air America and it was epic failure. They would like to have a voice but the best they can come up with are network news hounds and some flakes like the hate-mongers Olberman and Matthews.

If you can believe that the GOP is rooting for the country to fail for political motives, then you will surely see the connection to how the Donkeys are rooting for the USA to lose the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. :rollseyes:

Frankly the main entertainment value I find in Rush is that he makes you donkeys squirm. :biggrin:

Air America is/was a drastic failure, I never got into those shows and yes they tried and failed to be a counterpart to the right's AM radio dominance. That being said... The left has and continues to dominate in the internet communication medium. This is something that the GOP really struggles to understand and needs to correct. You need to correct your statement about Donkeys rooting to lose in Iraq and Afganistan. I think you will find that very few Dem's rooted for failure, and just because you are a Dem, doesn't mean you don't support the wars (I did and still do support those, just not the after war management). And as far as Rush making me squirm... please... he doesn't make me squirm, he makes me laugh.

[GoPokes83]

Chris... What is a Democrat? Really. What does it mean to be a Democrat? Other than the vague pseudo-intellectual, smarmy, protagonistic, penis envying attitude... What does the Democratic party stand for?

[OSUchris]

Chris... What is a Democrat? Really. What does it mean to be a Democrat? Other than the vague pseudo-intellectual, smarmy, protagonistic, penis envying attitude... What does the Democratic party stand for?

Do you have a serious question? Or do you just pretend to ask a serious question packed w/ insults? Isn't your messiah on the radio now?

[GoPokes83]

I didn't think you'd have an answer, and my messiah died 2000 years ago. Oh wait, you're talking about Rush Limbaugh? LOL that's just too funny! I've never heard that before! Did you just make that up or did you read it somewhere? Sorry man, nice try but I'm not a Republican. (May your sticks and stones break someone else's bones.)

Now how about it? What does it mean to be a Democrat?

[OSUchris]

I didn't think you'd have an answer, and my messiah died 2000 years ago. ...

So did mine. But he didn't stay dead for long.

[GoPokes83]

Chris amigo you're dodging the question. You've identified yourself as a Democrat many times, and extolled the virtues of being such as being so much better than the Republicans. So win me over. What does it mean to be a Democrat? What are the qualities of the Democratic Party that would make me , or anyone, join up? Why are you a Democrat?

[OSUchris]

Chris amigo you're dodging the question. You've identified yourself as a Democrat many times, and extolled the virtues of being such as being so much better than the Republicans. So win me over. What does it mean to be a Democrat? What are the qualities of the Democratic Party that would make me , or anyone, join up? Why are you a Democrat?

Fine GoPokes, I will answer... But it is a bit lengthy, so I will post a response later, maybe tomorrow. But really is what I say going to change anything about what you think?

[GoPokes83]

Maybe. I'm an open minded dude.

[OSUchris]

Maybe. I'm an open minded dude.

Here you go... :)

A Democrat is someone who can believe the following and not be ostracized by their party:

-Life begins at conception and ends at natural death.
-Life also continues in between.
-The death penalty is wrong.
-Health care costs are killing America's business's, and a nationalized heath care system should be explored.
-People who are poor are not always there because of something that they did.
-People in Africa deserve to eat just as much as Rush does.
-Russia needs to be contained again.
-The Earth is GOD's gift to us, and we need to protect it.
-Our immigration policy needs to allow more people to come into this great country.
-Illegal immigrants are not evil.
-More financial institution regulation is needed and warranted.
-We are taxed too little. I am okay w/ spending more money to improve infrastructure, education and health care, and really wouldn't miss it in my paycheck.
-Volcano's are a threat. :)
-You really don't deserve a private jet.
-You do have enough.
-Government isn't always the enemy.
-Mandatory prison sentences cause more harm than good.
-The Sacrament of Marriage is between a man and a woman, but two people that love each other should have rights.
-Labor unions are not very productive now, but might be needed again in the future.
-Teachers should be paid much more.
-Being educated is not a liability.
-The Constitution doesn't cease to exist when planes crash into skyscrapers.
-The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were right.
-The aftermath of both is horrible.
-We don't sacrifice enough to support our war effort.
-A yellow ribbon is not sacrifice.
-Christ would hate both political parties.

I am sure I can come up with others. But here you go for now...

[GoPokes83]

Alright Chris you did a good job! I'm not convinced, but at least you made your points! I don't have a party yet, but I may bring back the Whigs just for the cool name, (Beats the know-nothings!) I'm a conservative independent, leaning towards the non-lunatic fringe parts of the Libertarian Party, but with a knowledge that there are people who are in true need in this country and deserve help. (Laziness is not need, it's laziness.) I've put my comments next to yours. Judging by your points you're not a true Democrat, you show too much common sense on some matters..

Life begins at conception and ends at natural death. This is definitely not the Democratic party line

-Life also continues in between. And it's your responsibility to contribute to this society while it does. No work, no handouts. You are responsible for your destiny, not me If you choose not to contribute, you do without. You are not entitled to the same as someone who chooses to contribute.

-The death penalty is wrong. True

-Health care costs are killing America's business's, and a nationalized heath care system should be explored. Nationalized health care has never worked in a democracy, never. Do you really think Obama and his kids are going to stand in line to see just how much medicine they are entitled to? It's elitist to say, You do this, I'm deserving of that"

-People who are poor are not always there because of something that they did. True, usually it's because of something they didn't do.

-People in Africa deserve to eat just as much as Rush does. But to end hunger in Africa we'd need to invade many countries and stop the warring factions, set up police states and then set up puppet governments. It didn't work in Iran, or Viet Nam, can you imagine it on a global scale?

-Russia needs to be contained again. By who, and by what means? BTW The current Democrats are already offering appeasement packages to Russia.

-The Earth is GOD's gift to us, and we need to protect it. That's true, but real science needs to be used to determine proper use of our natural resources.

-Our immigration policy needs to allow more people to come into this great country. Legally, yes. Illegally no.

-Illegal immigrants are not evil. The majority of the people are not evil per se, buy what illegal imigration does to our economy, schools, and society is very, very evil.

-More financial institution regulation is needed and warranted. True. I wish the Democrats who have been in charge of the banking oversight for the last 2 + years years had been on the ball. This mess started with Clinton corruption, got worse with Bush, and went to hell with the Dem control of both houses.

-We are taxed too little. I am okay w/ spending more money to improve infrastructure, education and health care, and really wouldn't miss it in my paycheck. LOL Well mister, you're in luck! Just wait a couple of years until inflation on all this play money we're printing comes around. Your grandkids may not appreciate your generosity with their money.

-Volcano's are a threat. To Krakatoans

-You really don't deserve a private jet. Nancy Palosi

-You do have enough. I'll say when I have enough, not the Government. This is the major fault of the Democratic party. They want to control our citizens. It's the place of the citizenry to control the government.

-Government isn't always the enemy. They need to prove that to me

-Mandatory prison sentences cause more harm than good. Depends on the crime and other factors

-The Sacrament of Marriage is between a man and a woman, but two people that love each other should have rights. Rights yes, a marriage no, and limits on what constitutes a civil union. Once again, this isn't the Dem way of thinking.

-Labor unions are not very productive now, but might be needed again in the future. Labor unions have turned themselves into organized blackmail. Adios Mo-fo's

-Teachers should be paid much more. Duh

-Being educated is not a liability. Education at all levels is available for the taking anywhere in the USA. If people don't wish to take advantage of it then too bad for them, they can wallow in their own stupidity. To quote Judge Smails, "Well the world needs ditch diggers too."

-The Constitution doesn't cease to exist when planes crash into skyscrapers. ?????

-The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were right. Your opinion, not the party's

-The aftermath of both is horrible. 20 years from now there will (hopefully)be a democratic Iraq. Our revolution was tough too. Afghanistan is probably a waste of time.


-We don't sacrifice enough to support our war effort. What would you suggest?

-A yellow ribbon is not sacrifice. once again...????

-Christ would hate both political parties. People who sit in church waiting for Jesus to walk through the door are crazy. When he comes back it'll be in some 3rd world craphole of almost unimaginable proportions so he can once again lead the ignorant by example. He could care less about our political parties.

[OSUchris]

Alright Chris you did a good job! I'm not convinced, but at least you made your points! I don't have a party yet, but I may bring back the Whigs just for the cool name, (Beats the know-nothings!) I'm a conservative independent, leaning towards the non-lunatic fringe parts of the Libertarian Party, but with a knowledge that there are people who are in true need in this country and deserve help. (Laziness is not need, it's laziness.) I've put my comments next to yours. Judging by your points you're not a true Democrat, you show too much common sense on some matters..

Whigs, that is a cool name... :). You are correct I am not a true Democrat, but more of a left leaning independent. I have big problems with people who blindly follow the party line for their beliefs... Below, here are some responses...


Life begins at conception and ends at natural death. This is definitely not the Democratic party line

Correct, The Democratic party has had big problems w/ this in the past. But pols like Bob Casey and even Harry Reid make me have some hope on this.



-Life also continues in between. And it's your responsibility to contribute to this society while it does. No work, no handouts. You are responsible for your destiny, not me If you choose not to cnationtribute, you do without. You are not entitled to the same as someone who chooses to contribute.

True, but we are all children of GOD and we should help those who cannot (physically, mentally, emotionally) help themselves with their problems,.

-The death penalty is wrong. True
Wow!!! Agreed...

-Health care costs are killing America's business's, and a nationalized heath care system should be explored. Nationalized health care has never worked in a democracy, never. Do you really think Obama and his kids are going to stand in line to see just how much medicine they are entitled to? It's elitist to say, You do this, I'm deserving of that"
I'm thinking on more of a corporate level... We are the only major nation that does not have it's health care nationalized. This causes employers to choose between creating more jobs or paying for health benefits.

-People who are poor are not always there because of something that they did. True, usually it's because of something they didn't do.

-People in Africa deserve to eat just as much as Rush does. But to end hunger in Africa we'd need to invade many countries and stop the warring factions, set up police states and then set up puppet governments. It didn't work in Iran, or Viet Nam, can you imagine it on a global scale?
I don't have a good solution for this. But too many people are suffering, and there is too much food available.

-Russia needs to be contained again. By who, and by what means? BTW The current Democrats are already offering appeasement packages to Russia.
We need to closely monitor their aggression and make sure they do not start a new iron curtain. I am not sure I disagree/agree w/ BHO's recent IRAN/Missile Shield deal.

-The Earth is GOD's gift to us, and we need to protect it. That's true, but real science needs to be used to determine proper use of our natural resources.

-Our immigration policy needs to allow more people to come into this great country. Legally, yes. Illegally no.

-Illegal immigrants are not evil. The majority of the people are not evil per se, buy what illegal imigration does to our economy, schools, and society is very, very evil.
Don't agree that it is evil, but that's ok.

-More financial institution regulation is needed and warranted. True. I wish the Democrats who have been in charge of the banking oversight for the last 2 + years years had been on the ball. This mess started with Clinton corruption, got worse with Bush, and went to hell with the Dem control of both houses.
This problem is a lot bigger than the past 2 years. It is a problem of not knowing when enough is enough.

-We are taxed too little. I am okay w/ spending more money to improve infrastructure, education and health care, and really wouldn't miss it in my paycheck. LOL Well mister, you're in luck! Just wait a couple of years until inflation on all this play money we're printing comes around. Your grandkids may not appreciate your generosity with their money.
We'll see I guess...

-Volcano's are a threat. To Krakatoans

And Oregonian's, Alaskan's and Washingtonian's...

-You really don't deserve a private jet. Nancy Palosi
Point..

-You do have enough. I'll say when I have enough, not the Government. This is the major fault of the Democratic party. They want to control our citizens. It's the place of the citizenry to control the government.

This is not a political thing, but more of a personal issue. When are we enough, when do we have enough??

-Government isn't always the enemy. They need to prove that to me

-Mandatory prison sentences cause more harm than good. Depends on the crime and other factors

-The Sacrament of Marriage is between a man and a woman, but two people that love each other should have rights. Rights yes, a marriage no, and limits on what constitutes a civil union. Once again, this isn't the Dem way of thinking.
Again see above, Dem's can disagree on this...

-Labor unions are not very productive now, but might be needed again in the future. Labor unions have turned themselves into organized blackmail. Adios Mo-fo's

-Teachers should be paid much more. Duh

-Being educated is not a liability. Education at all levels is available for the taking anywhere in the USA. If people don't wish to take advantage of it then too bad for them, they can wallow in their own stupidity. To quote Judge Smails, "Well the world needs ditch diggers too."

-The Constitution doesn't cease to exist when planes crash into skyscrapers. ?????
I mean the scrapping of Habeus Corpus, privacy and other laws in the name of preventing another attack. I, for one would rather have 3000 people killed than lose 300 million citizen's civil rights.

-The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were right. Your opinion, not the party's
Absolutely...

-The aftermath of both is horrible. 20 years from now there will (hopefully)be a democratic Iraq. Our revolution was tough too. Afghanistan is probably a waste of time.


-We don't sacrifice enough to support our war effort. What would you suggest?
We should have paid in real dollar's for this War effort. If the cause is important enough to send our troops to die, then it should cost the rest of us a few dollars in our paychecks.

-A yellow ribbon is not sacrifice. once again...????
See above

-Christ would hate both political parties. People who sit in church waiting for Jesus to walk through the door are crazy. When he comes back it'll be in some 3rd world craphole of almost unimaginable proportions so he can once again lead the ignorant by example. He could care less about our political parties.
Right On...
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[Deepfork]

This is the deal. Limbaugh is not "running" for anything. He doesn't have to kiss voters butts over anything. He does speak the mind of a huge population of Americans and is not afraid to do so. Politicians don't have the balls to speak the truth.

[MisterE-NYC]

Here is some insight into Eric

-Life begins at conception and ends at natural death.
Life begins when it begins. How do you define life? An organism that can live on its own, an organism that is growing to the point of living on its own, an organism with a soul? I honestly do not know.

-Life also continues in between.
The act of living is life, and I do not feel it is anyone right to take away another’s life. I try not to judge based on my standards and situations

-The death penalty is wrong.
Agreed

-Health care costs are killing America's business's, and a nationalized heath care system should be explored.
Definitely explored, as with all options. If we rule anything out, then that is a bad deal. There are tons of things that need to be explored. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. I do not know how, but I feel that people should test, try, and figure it out.

-People who are poor are not always there because of something that they did.
I am poor and in debt. I am qualified, have a good education, and have a good work ethic. Though this will change for me. I also acknowledge some people have been dealt crappy hands and do not have the knowledge or resources to change it.

-People in Africa deserve to eat just as much as Rush does.
I agree. We need research in sustainable foods for all over the world. From the deserts of the Sahara to the wetlands of India. We need to do the whole Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime”

-Russia needs to be contained again.
I work with a Russian girl and she is really cute with beautiful eyes.

-The Earth is GOD's gift to us, and we need to protect it.
For the sake of not getting into a theological debate, I will agree. But we have one earth with limited resources, we need to learn to maximize and renew what we can. Like it or not, pollution is a bad thing. It shouldn’t be a red thing, a blue thing, but a human thing.

-Our immigration policy needs to allow more people to come into this great country.
More people? Maybe. Right now our unemployment is at 7.6 and rising. I have no problem with people coming here, but right now, it is not a sustainable option. The more of a workforce we get, and the fewer job we get spells disaster (on many levels)

-Illegal immigrants are not evil.
We pretty much all have some illegal immigrant in us.

-More financial institution regulation is needed and warranted.
Especially with institutions that are getting taxpayer money or are government backed. Private industry is one thing, but I feel there is a fine line, especially with the banking industry between a private and a public thing. I like the idea of some regulation, but not total regulation.

-We are taxed too little. I am okay w/ spending more money to improve infrastructure, education and health care, and really wouldn't miss it in my paycheck.
I have no problems with taxes. I may have a problem with tax structure, the federal reserve, and things along those lines, but I understand that there are cost of governments and goods and services. Everyone wants tax breaks. But really, taxes do a lot. I wish we could get rid of wasteful spending and outdated non-competitive government contracts, but I would rather write 1 check, instead of 1 for roads, 1 for education, 1 for healthcare, 1 for ss, 1 for police, 1 for fire, 1 for air force, 1 for navy … the list goes on.

-Volcano's are a threat.
Yes they are, so are earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes. We need an infrastructure and a emergency mitigation and management policy.

-You really don't deserve a private jet.
But some people do need them. I have no problem with Obama, or the heads of congress taking one. (oh, and the Pelosi plane was not her request) Just like I have no problem with the military flying generals. For safety and security, I think government people need direct flights on safe aircraft. But a private business or citizen does not deserve one. If they want one, they can get it, but not on taxpayer money.

-You do have enough.
I disagree, I am constantly in search for knowledge and enlightenment. It is what drives and motivates me.

-Government isn't always the enemy.
The government was a fundamental part of the United States. People that hate the government must not understand the United States (or pretty much any other society). Some are corrupt and are not good, but I am damn proud to be an American.

-Mandatory prison sentences cause more harm than good.
Agreed mostly. Rape, murderers, and people that have no regard for humanity need to be removed form the general population, and attempted to be rehabilitated. I think there are more then one type of prison.

-The Sacrament of Marriage is between a man and a woman, but two people that love each other should have rights.
The government should have nothing to do with marriage. NOTHING. If a church wants to restrict whom and what can marry, that is ok. The government should only recognize unions between, and it should not matter if they are gay, lesbians, straight, or roommates. There should be guidelines, and they must be met, then benefits awarded. (if you are going to be roommates with your best friend for 10 years, you should get the same benefits and visitation rights as two people that have sex). Marriage is of no business of the government. It is a church thing, and that is it. (I could rant about this for a long time)

-Labor unions are not very productive now, but might be needed again in the future.
They served their purpose, and still do. It is when they stop their purpose and hurt those they are trying to protect. When the union hurts the employees, and stops sticking for their rights or gets greedy. That is when they are bad. Most now days are bad. But some are good, and the right to unionize is important.

-Teachers should be paid much more.
Especially good teachers.

-Being educated is not a liability.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-alex-benzer/why-the-smartest-people-h_b_169939.html
Its kinda true, I find my self with this problem. And I am not even the smartest. But in all seriousness I agree education is good for those that want it. If you do not, then that is Ok too. As bad as it sounds, there are some jobs that educated people think they are too good for. Also, sometimes (personal experience) you can be told you are too experienced. But for 99.9 percent of cases, you are right.

-The Constitution doesn't cease to exist when planes crash into skyscrapers.
I agree.

-The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were right.
I disagree. I am not a fan of war. To me it is primitive, and we, as humans should have figured out a way toward piece with out killing each other. I do not see the point of killing people. I feel the only time that we should ever consider war is if we are attacked and invaded. Yes, we were attacked, but by only one of the countries.

-The aftermath of both is horrible.
I agree

-We don't sacrifice enough to support our war effort.
Um, I support our troops, as they are doing the job that was assigned to them. I am against wars, but do want to help the people that are putting their lives on the line. I want to do more to bring them home alive. But I do not know what I can do to support the war itself.

-A yellow ribbon is not sacrifice.
True, remembering is an important thing, but if we “remember” and still send our people over to die with out a plan or a voice to defend them, then I do not feel we are doing anything. Ya, it looks good, but so did slap bracelets when I was in grade school

-Christ would hate both political parties.
If he came back today, there are so many more things that he would be sad about.

[wood911]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596.html

Just an article about the original subject.

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Here is some insight into Eric

-Life begins at conception and ends at natural death.
Life begins when it begins. How do you define life? An organism that can live on its own, an organism that is growing to the point of living on its own, an organism with a soul? I honestly do not know.I don't know either, so I choose to err on the safe side, I say the choice is made when a person has unprotected sex or fails to abstain knowing pregneancy is a possibility. When science can tell me that life begins at a certain point then I will say abortions are ok up to that point.

-Life also continues in between.
The act of living is life, and I do not feel it is anyone right to take away another’s life. I try not to judge based on my standards and situations, Agreed, except in the act of defending one's self. What do we do about war? Is that considered self-defense?

-The death penalty is wrong.
Agreed While I would not want to be on a jury to decide this, and it would have to be so clear that a 2year old could figure out guilt, I think there is a place for this. (i.e., Ted Bunde, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) This is an interesting point to me. Some people believe in abortion but not the death penalty.

-Health care costs are killing America's business's, and a nationalized heath care system should be explored.
Definitely explored, as with all options. If we rule anything out, then that is a bad deal. There are tons of things that need to be explored. The system is broken and needs to be fixed. I do not know how, but I feel that people should test, try, and figure it out.I am not a big believer in the federal gov't running anything right. Not because they aren't capable but there is too much money and power tied to this issue. Money and power wins over right and wrong everytime. I do think every person should have basic healthcare though I don't consider it a God-given right.

-People who are poor are not always there because of something that they did.
I am poor and in debt. I am qualified, have a good education, and have a good work ethic. Though this will change for me. I also acknowledge some people have been dealt crappy hands and do not have the knowledge or resources to change it.There are lots of people who are either physically or emotionally unable to function in society thru no fault of their own. THese people have to be helped to some level. There are also people that will abuse any system that is put in place. These are the people that keep the needy down.

-People in Africa deserve to eat just as much as Rush does.
I agree. We need research in sustainable foods for all over the world. From the deserts of the Sahara to the wetlands of India. We need to do the whole Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime”. We can't feed the world. It does nobody any good for us to spend ourselves broke, then nobody gets any help. Choices have to be made. I agree with GP83 on this, too many factors to help.
-Russia needs to be contained again.
I work with a Russian girl and she is really cute with beautiful eyes.It's not true without pictures.:D

-The Earth is GOD's gift to us, and we need to protect it.
For the sake of not getting into a theological debate, I will agree. But we have one earth with limited resources, we need to learn to maximize and renew what we can. Like it or not, pollution is a bad thing. It shouldn’t be a red thing, a blue thing, but a human thing.We need real science to determine if we have a real problem, not Al Gore's opinion. AL has created quite an industry for himself. We do need to take care when practical.

-Our immigration policy needs to allow more people to come into this great country.
More people? Maybe. Right now our unemployment is at 7.6 and rising. I have no problem with people coming here, but right now, it is not a sustainable option. The more of a workforce we get, and the fewer job we get spells disaster (on many levels)I don't know enough about actual numbers to speak intelligently(usually doesn't stop me, tho). MrE-NYC makes sense, tho, with unemployment rising it probably isn't the time to allow more in.

-Illegal immigrants are not evil.
We pretty much all have some illegal immigrant in us. The legal immigrants that I have hired are some of the nicest, hardest working people I have ever met. If my family were starving and drug wars were everywhere, I would probably try to find a better place myself. Just like us, some of them are bad people.

-More financial institution regulation is needed and warranted.
Especially with institutions that are getting taxpayer money or are government backed. Private industry is one thing, but I feel there is a fine line, especially with the banking industry between a private and a public thing. I like the idea of some regulation, but not total regulation.Agreed

-We are taxed too little. I am okay w/ spending more money to improve infrastructure, education and health care, and really wouldn't miss it in my paycheck.We are one of the highest
I have no problems with taxes. I may have a problem with tax structure, the federal reserve, and things along those lines, but I understand that there are cost of governments and goods and services. Everyone wants tax breaks. But really, taxes do a lot. I wish we could get rid of wasteful spending and outdated non-competitive government contracts, but I would rather write 1 check, instead of 1 for roads, 1 for education, 1 for healthcare, 1 for ss, 1 for police, 1 for fire, 1 for air force, 1 for navy … the list goes on.[B]We are one of the lesser taxed countries at around 28%. My problem is who is taxing us. I think the Feds take too much that the state/local gov'ts could spend more wisely. Still, there is no evidence that the higher taxed countries are any more prosperous.

-Volcano's are a threat.
Yes they are, so are earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes. We need an infrastructure and a emergency mitigation and management policy.I think this has to be a federal function. Agree

-You really don't deserve a private jet.
But some people do need them. I have no problem with Obama, or the heads of congress taking one. (oh, and the Pelosi plane was not her request) Just like I have no problem with the military flying generals. For safety and security, I think government people need direct flights on safe aircraft. But a private business or citizen does not deserve one. If they want one, they can get it, but not on taxpayer money.I don't think it is anybody's business if sombody can afford it. I do have a problem with Pelosi having a taxpayer-provided plane. She is no more or less important than any other congressman and, unlike the president, easily replaced. Pennies make dollars

-You do have enough.
I disagree, I am constantly in search for knowledge and enlightenment. It is what drives and motivates me.I probably do, but, again, it is nobody's business and nobody has the right to make that decision for me in a free country.

-Government isn't always the enemy.
The government was a fundamental part of the United States. People that hate the government must not understand the United States (or pretty much any other society). Some are corrupt and are not good, but I am damn proud to be an American.I agree, they do a great job of defending the shores and building roads. Now if they can just figure out how to stay the hell out of my business.:action-smiley-033:

-Mandatory prison sentences cause more harm than good.
Agreed mostly. Rape, murderers, and people that have no regard for humanity need to be removed form the general population, and attempted to be rehabilitated. I think there are more then one type of prison.What do you do with people that prove they need isolated from society?

-The Sacrament of Marriage is between a man and a woman, but two people that love each other should have rights.
The government should have nothing to do with marriage. NOTHING. If a church wants to restrict whom and what can marry, that is ok. The government should only recognize unions between, and it should not matter if they are gay, lesbians, straight, or roommates. There should be guidelines, and they must be met, then benefits awarded. (if you are going to be roommates with your best friend for 10 years, you should get the same benefits and visitation rights as two people that have sex). Marriage is of no business of the government. It is a church thing, and that is it. (I could rant about this for a long time)I can agree with this. Marriage is a moral commitment between individuals.A license is a way for the gov't to get involved in your business. The fight has more to do with legal rights than moral commitments. Just my opinion.

-Labor unions are not very productive now, but might be needed again in the future.
They served their purpose, and still do. It is when they stop their purpose and hurt those they are trying to protect. When the union hurts the employees, and stops sticking for their rights or gets greedy. That is when they are bad. Most now days are bad. But some are good, and the right to unionize is important. I could tell a long story about the benfits of a union and could also tell stories about the unions being real pains. All-in-all they serve a purpose and are necessary to prevent management abuses.

-Teachers should be paid much more.
Especially good teachers.Valid comment.

-Being educated is not a liability.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-alex-benzer/why-the-smartest-people-h_b_169939.html
Its kinda true, I find my self with this problem. And I am not even the smartest. But in all seriousness I agree education is good for those that want it. If you do not, then that is Ok too. As bad as it sounds, there are some jobs that educated people think they are too good for. Also, sometimes (personal experience) you can be told you are too experienced. But for 99.9 percent of cases, you are right.There are all sorts of education/training. Anthing that helps has to be good.

-The Constitution doesn't cease to exist when planes crash into skyscrapers.
I agree.DITTO

-The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were right.
I disagree. I am not a fan of war. To me it is primitive, and we, as humans should have figured out a way toward piece with out killing each other. I do not see the point of killing people. I feel the only time that we should ever consider war is if we are attacked and invaded. Yes, we were attacked, but by only one of the countries.I don't think we had a choice in Afghanistan but Iraq appears to be a mistake.

-The aftermath of both is horrible.
I agreeWe will know in 10 years, maybe.

-We don't sacrifice enough to support our war effort.
Um, I support our troops, as they are doing the job that was assigned to them. I am against wars, but do want to help the people that are putting their lives on the line. I want to do more to bring them home alive. But I do not know what I can do to support the war itself.Whether the war is considered just or not does not bring into questionthe people fighting it. They are earning their right to be free and giving us that right.

-A yellow ribbon is not sacrifice.
True, remembering is an important thing, but if we “remember” and still send our people over to die with out a plan or a voice to defend them, then I do not feel we are doing anything. Ya, it looks good, but so did slap bracelets when I was in grade schoolI agree.

-Christ would hate both political parties.
If he came back today, there are so many more things that he would be sad about.I hate both parties.;) Christ is more forgiving than I.

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This thread = Boring.

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This thread = Boring.


Boobs, guns and car crashes. Better?

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Boobs, guns and car crashes. Better?

Actually, boobs alone will do it, especially if you have pics.

[OSUchris]

This thread = Boring.

Start one then.

[OSUchris]

Actually, boobs alone will do it, especially if you have pics.

Ok, I agree w/ that. Carry on... :)

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Actually, boobs alone will do it, especially if you have pics.

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Ask and you shall receive

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