Fox's alleged GOP NH debate

[Lewis the Pike]

For the time being I am completely boycotting all Fox television

Fox News, Fox, and F/X. Last night they used their corporate imperalism to not allow Ron Paul in the New Hampshire debate.

This is in spite of the fact that he finished 5th in the Iowa primary with 10% of the vote. More than twice what Rudy Guliani finished with at 4%.

This is also in spite of him raising $20 million in hard money, (contributions from individuals, not corporations) and having the single largest one day contribution in US history on Dec. 16.

In fact thr Republican party of New Hampshire refused to sponsor the debate once they heard what Fox was planning.

I enjoy NFL Football, college football, sometimes Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reiley's shows. And I completely love "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" and "Rescue Me" on F/X. But as an AMERICAN WITH PRINCIPALS, I can not watch one second of this corporation's programming.

I will continue to boycott this company until I feel they make ammends for their gross dereliction of their role in the media.

F- YOU FOX!

[jakeman]

Ron Paul is a joke. It's over, and it hasn't really even begun yet. To quote an OKC radio host, "He has little support, speaks some truth, but mostly is idiotic. His grasp of the threats against this country is simplistic and naive. He's a "kook" - he's had his "shot" - it's time for him to be ushered from the stage." He reminds me of Kinky Friedman without the hat and cigar. I enjoy listening to some of what he has to say, but he simply isn't electable.

You heard it here first, whom ever the Republicans nominate is going to be the next president of the United States. Hillary is done, all but finished. Her campaign is imploding, and this country just isn't ready to elect a black man or a woman to the office of President. Obama and Clinton simply aren't electable. The only real hope the Dem's have is John Edwards. How sad is that?

This one's over folks. The pursuit will be fun to watch, but the race is over.

[Lewis the Pike]

Jake,

Aside from quoting an OKC talk show host. What are your opinion's on Ron Paul, and I eagerly anticipate you justifying your points.

In addition, the Democrat's also have hope in Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Rudy Guliani.

Their tax and spend policies mirror the democrats policies.

[jakeman]

Jake,

Aside from quoting an OKC talk show host. What are your opinion's on Ron Paul, and I eagerly anticipate you justifying your points.


My opinion is, he's got SOME decent ideas, but he isn't electable. Never has been. Supporting him is like putting your money on a 100-1 shot at the race track. It's exciting up until the moment they ring the bell and open the gate. Shortly after that, you'd like to have a nice strong alcoholic drink to wash away some of the disappointment, and if you start to the bar before they reach the first turn, you will probably be back in time to see your horse cross the finish line; just before the start of the next race.

Sorry Lewis, it ain't gonna happen. He's got no chance. He is 2008's Ross Perot. The difference is he will never see the general election, so he won't affect the outcome. A vote for Perot was a vote against the GOP, and it helped Clinton get elected. Paul is gonna steal some votes from a few of the real contenders, but he won't be around long enough to really affect the GOP nomination.

[Lewis the Pike]

I completely agree that his ideas are not in the mainstream. However if the mainstream was more concious of their actions and listened to what he said. Then, we might see a different story.

If the only argument against him is no one else is doing supporting him, perhaps we need a better informed public. And a candidate who is free of the soft money (i.e. bought influence) that was used to broadcast the message.

I go to the horsetrack to bet horses. And it is a lot of fun! But to me, that is a poor analogy of our political system.

I go to the election booth to represent a refferendum or candidate that represents my ideals.

[jakeman]

I go to the horsetrack to bet horses. And it is a lot of fun! But to me, that is a poor analogy of our political system.

I go to the election booth to represent a refferendum or candidate that represents my ideals.

I think it's a great analogy of our political system. You ever see the faces of those supporters of defeated candidates at their concession speeches? It's real similar to the look seen on the faces of those people tearing losing parimutuel tickets in half at the race track. They just knew they had picked out a winner. Alas, their hopes have been dashed. Your guy has got no chance, despite how super you and the rest of his supporters think he is.

I haven't endorsed a candidate, and probably won't. I'm just making a prediction on how this election is gong to turn out. You tell me why you think I'm wrong.

[Lewis the Pike]

It's too early to say whether you're going to be wrong or right, but I believe it is too early in the game, to be writing off politicians that won 10% of the voters in Iowa.

There have been much bigger comebacks. To me this is like when pokevette gives us his bowl projections in March.

I would rather let the process decide, than try and have the process dictated by Rupert Murdoch. He is reminding me of the James Bond villan of "The World is not Enough"

[OSUFan]

How could anyone get so upset with politics? I could care less. None of the candidates want to help the nation. They just want to get elected and be in a position of power for their party. They don't give two sh&ts about the people.

[MajorMike]

The issue is one of perception and packaging. Perot had some damn good ideas, but he looked like Pat Jones without his ADD drugs. His running mate was one of the greater Americans to walk the planet, yet he came off as a complete fool in his debate.

You can have all the right presents in a box, but if someone don't like the wrapping paper they ain't going to open it 1st.

[Lewis the Pike]

I agree about your points about Perot and Stockdale, Mike.

OSUFan, I love America, and I despise the nanny state we have become. I want to fix it. That's why I EFFING Care!

[OSUFan]

OSUFan, I love America, and I despise the nanny state we have become. I want to fix it. That's why I EFFING Care!

I see. Well, I don't effing care. I mean I care but not enough to get upset.

[jakeman]

It's too early to say whether you're going to be wrong or right, but I believe it is too early in the game, to be writing off politicians that won 10% of the voters in Iowa.

There have been much bigger comebacks. To me this is like when pokevette gives us his bowl projections in March.

I would rather let the process decide, than try and have the process dictated by Rupert Murdoch. He is reminding me of the James Bond villan of "The World is not Enough"

What fun is it to pick the winner of the Super Bowl the day before the game? At that point you got a 50/50 shot. Much funner to pick before the regular season begins. I haven't had a good feel for the way this election was going to go up to this point, but I do now. It might be early to you, but to me it's pretty clear. Then again, I might be wrong.

I guess we'll know a little more tomorrow.

I may be wrong

[jakeman]

None of the candidates want to help the nation. They just want to get elected and be in a position of power for their party. They don't give two sh&ts about the people.

And in a nutshell, that's the problem with politics. Most politicians are power drunk, and those that aren't and do seem to genuinely care about this country and it's citizens can't seem to get elected. JMHO

[CowboyJD]

It's too early to say whether you're going to be wrong or right, but I believe it is too early in the game, to be writing off politicians that won 10% of the voters in Iowa.

There have been much bigger comebacks. To me this is like when pokevette gives us his bowl projections in March.

I would rather let the process decide, than try and have the process dictated by Rupert Murdoch. He is reminding me of the James Bond villan of "The World is not Enough"

Name me a comeback that would be comparable to Ron Paul winning the Republican nomination at this point in the process.

In fact name me three since you indicate we've seen much bigger comebacks.

[Lewis the Pike]

First, off the top of my head is Bill Clinton in 1992. Second is GW Bush in 2000.

Secondly, just because it has or hasn't been done, Does that mean that it can't be done? As Americans, we can accomplish anything that we put our minds to (Including opening them).

[AggieSpice]

"...and this country just isn't ready to elect a black man or a woman to the office of President"

if that's true, we're worse off than i thought.

[CowboyJD]

First, off the top of my head is Bill Clinton in 1992. Second is GW Bush in 2000.

Secondly, just because it has or hasn't been done, Does that mean that it can't be done? As Americans, we can accomplish anything that we put our minds to (Including opening them).

Try again.

Clinton was second in New Hampshire. At that point it was a two horse race between him an Tsongas. Harkins had won Iowa (his homestate...running essentially unopposed, but with little support beyond that). GW Bush was a frontrunner in party support and fundraising. He won the Iowa Caucus that year and was second in N.H. Asserting that those examples are remotely comparable to the hole Ron Paul is in is laughable.

It may not mean it CAN'T be done (I didn't say it did), but the fact that it HASN'T ever been done indicates that it's highly unlikely to occur.....especially with a candidate the "quality" of Ron Paul.

[Lewis the Pike]

agree to disagree....

My point was it is bull-"droppings" that a network decides who is involved in the debate. They have the right to do what they want, but I also am making myself Fox-free until they prove that they realize the gravity of their arrogance and/ or mistake. I'll have more free time without freaking News corp. in my life.

In fact I read a damn good book and went to the gym last night instead of watching the Mythical National Championship.


and on a less serious note.....http://floridafishinglessons.com/images/70207red.jpg

[Verb]

You'll enjoy it. I've been Fox-news-free for years.

[JimBob]

You'll enjoy it. I've been Fox-news-free for years.

MSNBC tripe is bad for your health.;)

[CowboyJD]

agree to disagree....

My point was it is bull-"droppings" that a network decides who is involved in the debate. They have the right to do what they want, but I also am making myself Fox-free until they prove that they realize the gravity of their arrogance and/ or mistake. I'll have more free time without freaking News corp. in my life.

In fact I read a damn good book and went to the gym last night instead of watching the Mythical National Championship.


and on a less serious note.....http://floridafishinglessons.com/images/70207red.jpg

LOL....agree to disagree.

Really? You're really going to continue to maintain.....in the face of the facts before you.....that Ron Paul's political situation at this point and time in the election:

Iowa: 5th place
New Hampshire: 5th place

is comparable to:

Iowa: Didn't bother to run against an Iowa Senator
NH: 2nd place

AND

Iowa: 1st Place
NH: 2nd place?

Really? That's your position and you're sticking to it rather than just admitting "wow, I kind blew that one didn't I".

Okay then.....agree to disagree.

I've got no problem with you boycotting Fox....particularly Fox News. I just threw my challenge out there as bait for you. It was fun reeling you in.:D

Did you make an exception for Football? :D

[Lewis the Pike]

NO exceptions for football or anything (as stated in start of post)

Ron Paul has a chance to win unless someone gets more delegates. It's the second freaking state. Far from over baby!

On a related note, I am off to Vegas to volunteer for Ron Paul for the Nevada Caucas (or however you spell it) next week!

And I posted first...so therefore I fished you! Ha!

[CowboyJD]

NO exceptions for football or anything (as stated in start of post)

Ron Paul has a chance to win unless someone gets more delegates. It's the second freaking state. Far from over baby!

On a related note, I am off to Vegas to volunteer for Ron Paul for the Nevada Caucas (or however you spell it) next week!

And I posted first...so therefore I fished you! Ha!

Nope, I changed the topic and fished you off on a tangent....which you're still pursuing. I actually have no problem with your decision to boycott Fox. Hell, as me not even noticing you explicitly included football shows....I barely even read the supposed "bait"

Ha! Ha!

Thanks for playing though!

P.S. I have as much chance of winning the nomination as Ron Paul does! :D ;)

[Lewis the Pike]

good luck in your campaign!

[CowboyJD]

good luck in your campaign!

Thanks!

We all know you're going to the Nevada caucus to pick up crazy, lunatic, out of touch with reality, (over the) borderline psychotic Ron Paul for President college chicks we're continually seeing on Fox News rather than any political ideals.

Good hunting to you my friend!

[Verb]

MSNBC tripe is bad for your health.;)

My health is robust.

[MemphisPoke]

I actually turned on the news last night (both Fox and MSNBC) for about 15 minutes. The first time in ages and ages. Took me about 15 minutes of listening to the garbage they were putting out and then I clicked it off.

I understand that there are some that put a lot of stock in what is said over the airwaves but count me out of that group. Don't get me wrong, I follow the news but do so via the Internet and the newspapers around the country. (Google News is my home page)

I have found that the "talking heads" are just that....people that make their living by trying to impress their will or feelings upon the public via their position as an "expert" (?????) analyst. I don't think of myself as paranoid or anything but more of a person that would rather think for himself than have someone else think for him. Since Chet and David and Walter got out of the news business there has been no real unbiased news reporting.

JMHO

[Verb]

I actually turned on the news last night (both Fox and MSNBC) for about 15 minutes. The first time in ages and ages. Took me about 15 minutes of listening to the garbage they were putting out and then I clicked it off.

I understand that there are some that put a lot of stock in what is said over the airwaves but count me out of that group. Don't get me wrong, I follow the news but do so via the Internet and the newspapers around the country. (Google News is my home page)

I have found that the "talking heads" are just that....people that make their living by trying to impress their will or feelings upon the public via their position as an "expert" (?????) analyst. I don't think of myself as paranoid or anything but more of a person that would rather think for himself than have someone else think for him. Since Chet and David and Walter got out of the news business there has been no real unbiased news reporting.

JMHO

Totally agree. I don't want editorializing and analysis and panel discussions. I can form my own opinion. I just want facts.