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Verb
01-16-2009, 02:37 PM
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20090116_93_0_Oklaho950279

Gundy: OSU defensive coordinator might not be hired until February

By BILL HAISTEN World Sports Writer
Published: 1/16/2009 2:04 PM
Last Modified: 1/16/2009 2:12 PM

Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy said on Friday that he may not hire a defensive coordinator until the recruiting campaign is completed with national signing day on Feb. 4.

"I'm not going to rush into it," Gundy said during a telephone interview. "I would say there's a chance that could happen. If it's not the right guy and the staff doesn't agree on it and I don't feel comfortable with it – right, wrong or indifferent, we may not do it (until February)."

OSU defensive coordinator Tim Beckman resigned last month to become the head coach at Toledo. Gundy is believed to have interviewed several candidates.

Two offensive assistants – running backs coach Curtis Luper and co-coordinator Trooper Taylor – departed to join the Auburn staff. On Friday, according to media reports in Minnesota, it was learned that OSU co-offensive coordinator Gunter Brewer had been interviewed for the offensive coordinator position at the University of Minnesota.

"Early in my coaching career, I heard a head coach say that if you lost (an assistant) to another program, it was a great opportunity to bring in a better coach," Gundy said. "I think it's important to always try to hire guys smarter than myself. Why would I want to bring a guy in here that couldn't add to us or give us more? I know that when I look for a coach, I want to bring a guy in here that is smarter than me and has got better ideas and can offer something that myself or somebody on the staff can't offer.

"It's hard to find guys out there that maybe fit the criteria you look for in all those areas, and fit in Stillwater and Oklahoma State and what we're looking for. But you certainly try to do that."

While the defensive coordinator situation remains unresolved, Gundy did fill four other staff vacancies. This week, he hired South Carolina running backs coach Robert Gillespie, promoted Robert Matthews from recruiting coordinator to an offensive assistant's position, hired Johnny Barr as the recruiting coordinator and hired Mack Butler to be the director of football operations.

Gillespie and Matthews fill the Luper and Taylor vacancies. The director of football operations job became open when Jimmy Gonzales was dismissed.

Gundy said he will not discuss the specific responsibilities of new coaches until next month – after recruiting is finished.

Butler, a 2004 Oklahoma Football Coaches Association Hall of Fame inductee, is returning to OSU. He was OSU's director of operations in 2001-04. When then-Cowboy coach Les Miles became the head coach at LSU, Butler followed him to Baton Rouge, La. After four seasons at LSU, Butler has accepted Gundy's offer to return to Stillwater.

The 59-year-old Butler is a Fairfax native who coached high school football in Stigler, McAlester and Wilburton, and in junior college at Northeastern Oklahoma A&M. In 1989-99, he was a defensive assistant at the University of Tulsa. He was TU's director of operations in 2000.

This week, Gundy attended the American Football Coaches Association's national convention in Nashville, Tenn. He said many coaches expressed interest in working at Oklahoma State.

"There are so many quality coaches that are out of work during this time of year," Gundy said. "It's heartbreaking at times."

JimBob
01-16-2009, 03:53 PM
I want to bring a guy in here that is smarter than me and has got better ideas and can offer something that myself or somebody on the staff can't offer.


When it comes to defense, there are at least ten of us on this board that fit that criteria.:cool-smiley-027:

Inky29
01-16-2009, 04:22 PM
This basically translates in to "I got shot down by every coach I went after and now I'm going to have to go find someone from the MAC to be our DC"

Hopefully my coach speak is a bit off and I've messed up on my translation.

MarkOSU
01-16-2009, 04:41 PM
Or, the guy I want does not want to hurt his current bosses recruiting, and has ask me to wait till after signing day

Inky29
01-16-2009, 05:12 PM
How many times does that happen with coaches Mark? Not often. Sure a coach might stick around to coach in a bowl game but bowl games have been over with for quite some time. If we've hired a DC from another school and that DC doesn't want to burn bridges is pretty simple, leave now and don't contact kids he'd been recruiting to the old school. It would get out if a coach was leaving a school because I can guarantee you the HC from the other school is going to be looking for a DC. So there would be no real benefit in keeping the coach around. The coaching community is like a small town...everyone knows each others business or at least they hear rumors about each others business.

My guess is that a coach will be named before recruiting is over, it just doesn't make sense to continue to wait unless you've missed on all your primary targets. I'm going to keep hoping we hire one soon.

Verb
01-16-2009, 05:31 PM
Or, the guy I want does not want to hurt his current bosses recruiting, and has ask me to wait till after signing day

One could only wish the coaches who left us had had that kind of ethics...

CaliforniaCowboy
01-16-2009, 07:07 PM
Or, the guy I want does not want to hurt his current bosses recruiting, and has ask me to wait till after signing day

or he's still working (e.g., NFL playoffs), and want's to stick around for the bonus and ring. ;)

MemphisPoke
01-16-2009, 08:09 PM
This basically translates in to "I got shot down by every coach I went after and now I'm going to have to go find someone from the MAC to be our DC"

Hopefully my coach speak is a bit off and I've messed up on my translation.



I think Inky may be on to something. Either that or he doesn't have a clue who he wants. Or he is looking at Resumes and trying to figure out what defense is.

Word to the wise Coach.....You snooze, You lose. :sleeping-smiley-012

JimBob
01-16-2009, 08:21 PM
One could only wish the coaches who left us had had that kind of ethics...

This is all about self-betterment; "it's a jungle out there", and these coaches have to take care of themselves. Taylor never signed a contract (wtg OSU), and we only have one Etch-A-Sketch, which is firmly in Mikey's hands.

FloridaPoke
01-17-2009, 01:27 AM
I believe different. I believe there are several factors coming to the front at once. First, The SEC conf schools have raised the bar at a level that NOBODY could have foreseen. And OSU is at the leading edge of it all in that WE set the bar the highest recently, not only with Salaries, but we were the first school ever to give long term contracts to assistants. So, guys on our staff have been able to leverage 3 year deals into one year deals at 2x the price (It is all symantics at the end of the day.)

Second, we had a lot of large egos on one staff at one time. Enough said.

Third, we were successful this year, more successful than the masses out there expected us to be.

Fourth, I believe Joe DeFo is the lightening rod that HCMG had to either protect or let go, as that is where the ego issues resided with other assistants, not with Mike.

Fifth, If you look at who is available (College and Pro) at the DC position, the number of guys is huge, and the real prescription for disaster is getting in a hurry.

Sixth, Recruiting was no way going to be impacted either way by a decision.

And finally, if all of the above is true, why not take your time and figure out the right move with patience.

We all know that we have interviewed many prospects (between Stilly, on site visits and at the Coaches convention. Trust me, there is GREAT interest in the position, by people that matter. And we also know that MG has obtained advice from dozens of people along the way, particularly as it relates to the current condition of defenses in the B-12 as they relate to other conferences......irrespective of talent level.

To say that MG is f'ing up........at a minimum is naive, not informed and, quite frankly....made for internet board fodder.
Rant over

snuffy
01-17-2009, 02:57 AM
Fourth, I believe Joe DeFo is the lightening rod that HCMG had to either protect or let go, as that is where the ego issues resided with other assistants, not with Mike.



Florida, you share some good insight, and while I am nervious, it's a little early to panic.
Could you expand on Defoe as a lighting rod and as Gundy's #2 what his role is with the other coach's is if you can. Thanks.

Lewis the Pike
01-17-2009, 12:42 PM
Maybe Bill Clay isn't returning calls.

Defensive Coordinator is KIND of a big thing. Gundy is putting himself in a smart position, if he makes a great hire, or goofball position if he makes a clown hire.

I'm hoping for the former.

snuffy
01-17-2009, 12:50 PM
Maybe Bill Clay isn't returning calls.

Defensive Coordinator is KIND of a big thing. Gundy is putting himself in a smart position, if he makes a great hire, or goofball position if he makes a clown hire.

I'm hoping for the former.

Would this come from you being an expert on the later?:biggrin:

CaliforniaCowboy
01-17-2009, 01:43 PM
He hired the last guy AFTER recruiting.... I think you guys are just blowing smoke.

legelegel
01-17-2009, 01:49 PM
Would this come from you being an expert on the later?:biggrin:

I'm more concern on whether he knows the difference between the former and the later.

BleedingOrange
01-17-2009, 04:46 PM
Until we make defense a priority, we will continue playing in bowl games before new years.

Gman
01-17-2009, 06:07 PM
I believe different. I believe there are several factors coming to the front at once. First, The SEC conf schools have raised the bar at a level that NOBODY could have foreseen. And OSU is at the leading edge of it all in that WE set the bar the highest recently, not only with Salaries, but we were the first school ever to give long term contracts to assistants. So, guys on our staff have been able to leverage 3 year deals into one year deals at 2x the price (It is all symantics at the end of the day.)

Second, we had a lot of large egos on one staff at one time. Enough said.

Third, we were successful this year, more successful than the masses out there expected us to be.

Fourth, I believe Joe DeFo is the lightening rod that HCMG had to either protect or let go, as that is where the ego issues resided with other assistants, not with Mike.

Fifth, If you look at who is available (College and Pro) at the DC position, the number of guys is huge, and the real prescription for disaster is getting in a hurry.

Sixth, Recruiting was no way going to be impacted either way by a decision.

And finally, if all of the above is true, why not take your time and figure out the right move with patience.

We all know that we have interviewed many prospects (between Stilly, on site visits and at the Coaches convention. Trust me, there is GREAT interest in the position, by people that matter. And we also know that MG has obtained advice from dozens of people along the way, particularly as it relates to the current condition of defenses in the B-12 as they relate to other conferences......irrespective of talent level.

To say that MG is f'ing up........at a minimum is naive, not informed and, quite frankly....made for internet board fodder.
Rant over

Amen.