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JimBob
12-19-2008, 07:55 AM
U.S.-ISRAEL COLLISION

By DICK MORRIS

Published on TheHill.com on December 16, 2008

With the election of Barack Obama, the United States has moved dramatically to the left in its foreign policy at just the time that Israel, which seems likely to return Bibi Netanyahu to office in early February, is moving to the right. A collision is almost inevitable.

Caroline Glick, the highly astute conservative columnist for the Jerusalem Post, writes that the "international community" believes that Obama "will move quickly to place massive pressure on the next Israeli government to withdraw from Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in the interests of advancing a 'peace process' with the Palestinians and the Syrians." She notes that "people who have been in close contact with Obama's foreign policy transition team have privately acknowledged that the widespread belief that Obama will move swiftly to put the screws on Israel is fully justified. According to one source who has spent a great deal of time with the transition team since last month's U.S. elections, Obama's people are 'scope-locked' on Israel."

Meanwhile, in Israel, there is a growing consensus, reflected in public opinion surveys, that trading land for peace is a chimera. Netanyahu points out that "we do not have a viable partner with whom to negotiate peace." The Palestinian Authority does not speak for the people of either Gaza or the West Bank, and Hamas, which probably does (it won the election), does not want to be a party to any peace agreement. Recent experience suggests that Hamas will quickly install rocket launchers on any territory Israel concedes, using it not as a basis for peace, but as a platform from which to kill more Jews.

Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and the candidates of the left, Labor's Ehud Barak and Kadima's Tzipi Livni, are deeply committed to land for peace. Their rejection by the Israeli electorate -- the anticipated outcome of the Feb. 10 election -- will signal a bold departure in the political consensus of the Jewish state, a consensus that flies directly in the face of Obama's likely policy.

The difference between the U.S. and Israel also extends to the realm of how strongly they oppose Iranian development of nuclear weapons. While Iran moves closer and closer to a bomb that could and will be used against Israel, Obama speaks of extending the American "nuclear umbrella" to cover Israel.

Reading between the lines, this means that he doesn't think he can stop Iranian nuclear ambitions and will retreat to a policy of deterrence, accepting a nuclear Iran in the bargain.

If Netanyahu wins the election, he will bring with him a determination to stop Iranian nuclear weapons, no matter what, and a refusal to concede more territory in the name of the peace process. But Obama's foreign policy team will be focusing on pushing Israel in just the opposite direction.

The result is likely to be the most significant divergence between Israeli and American policies since 1956, when President Eisenhower sided with the Arabs to halt the British-French-Israeli invasion of Suez.

The United States has tremendous leverage over Israel -- military, financial and political. And Obama's ability to carry the Jewish vote by a wide margin despite his likely Middle East policy makes him largely immune to the kind of political pressure that has disciplined American presidents in the past and forced them to incline toward accommodating Israeli views on the Middle East.

But Israel probably has the military capacity to bomb Iran and to win the Middle East war against Syria, Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah that is likely to result. Unlike Olmert, Netanyahu will use ground troops right off the bat and will fight such a war to win and to win big. But they may have to do it without their strongest ally: the United States.

FloridaPoke
12-19-2008, 08:37 AM
I still say the solution is to make Jeruselem into a "neutral" protected place (somewhat akin to the Vatican protected by the Swiss Guard) where Jews, Christians and Muslims can all visit in peace. Until it is in "neutral" hands versus Jewish only hands, there will never be peace.

GoPokes83
12-19-2008, 09:04 AM
I still say the solution is to make Jeruselem into a "neutral" protected place (somewhat akin to the Vatican protected by the Swiss Guard) where Jews, Christians and Muslims can all visit in peace. Until it is in "neutral" hands versus Jewish only hands, there will never be peace.

That would work great if Jerusalem were in Italy, but who will keep the peace in Jerusalem, Israel, the UN? I'd think once the UN took over that Muslim terrorists (crap I'm sick of that term, and them) would immediately start attacks to keep Jews and Christians out. I hate to say it but in that part of the world an iron fist seems to rule best.

MemphisPoke
12-20-2008, 09:29 AM
That would work great if Jerusalem were in Italy, but who will keep the peace in Jerusalem, Israel, the UN? I'd think once the UN took over that Muslim terrorists (crap I'm sick of that term, and them) would immediately start attacks to keep Jews and Christians out. I hate to say it but in that part of the world an iron fist seems to rule best.

I see it a little differently. In that part of the world NOTHING rules except hatred. A iron fist only heightens the tension. A soft gloved hand only gives those that hate more encouragement that they are winning.

I truly believe that Israel would like to live in peace, but on their terms which includes expansion into areas of their choice. I don't believe that Hamas wants peace but rather the extinction of every Jew in that area. And a Palestine government is a joke.

The hatred that exist between these people has been going on for centuries and I don't see it stopping. Yes, there may be a lot of lip service to the fact that peace is needed but that is just about as far as you will get. The fighting will go on and the innocent will suffer.

The one country in that area of the world that scares me is Iran. In my humble opinion that is the powder keg that will explode first and it will really depend on who has control of the country when it does. There have been signs that a more moderate group of Iranians exist, but their political and religious base is not strong enough to take on the crazies that are apparently running that country.

Israel sees it and to a degree we see it but I am really not sure that the rest of the world understands. Iran crazies go off the handle and use a Nuke on Israel and the Mid-East becomes a wasteland. Has anyone really looked at the prevailing wind patterns in that area of the country? If Israel is hit at the right time of the year then the rest of the Mediterranean will experience significant fall out. Including Greece, Italy and a few other countries which are not Muslim. Bingo! Killing more than one bird with one stone.

I tell you it is enough to scare the bejesuss out of me.