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JimBob
12-29-2007, 09:28 AM
Sutton's debut fizzles

By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
12/29/2007


OGDEN, Utah -- Eddie Sutton was looking for career victory No. 799 in his first game as the new head basketball coach at the University of San Francisco. Instead, he got tagged with career defeat No. 316.

"You can't worry about that," the former Oklahoma State coach said when asked if he was disappointed about missing an opportunity to get closer to his goal of 800 wins. "It will come. I just want this team to get better."

Sutton's squad was beaten 62-54 at Weber State in a Friday game played before 2,518 fans and plenty of empty purple seats at Dee Events Center. His Dons rallied from a 15-point second-half deficit and twice got as close as three points down the stretch, but the Wildcats hit 7-of-7 free throw attempts in the last 46 seconds to spoil Sutton's return-to-coaching game.

Sutton said he was pleased that his team fought back. He said many teams that have be come accustomed to losing tend to "roll over and play dead" when they get behind. He saw enough good things that he answered "oh, yeah" when asked if he knows he did the right thing by coming out of retirement.

Weber State coach Randy Rahe said he was fortunate to catch USF now instead of later because he expects the Dons to be a different team later in the year.

"Two weeks from now, we will be a lot better than we are now," Sutton said, indicating that the program can't be fixed overnight. "I'm not a miracle worker."

Sutton probably doesn't know all of his players' names yet, but he's getting acquainted pretty quickly, according to guard Manny Quezada. Sutton was named USF's interim coach Wednesday. He flew to Utah to meet his players for the first time Thursday and coached them a day later.

"He's a legend," Quezada said. "We're lucky to have someone of his caliber be able to coach us."

Sutton, wearing a Santa Claus tie and a "Remember the 10" pin, ended a retirement that lasted nearly two years. He coached in his first game since since a Feb. 8, 2006, loss to 20th-ranked Oklahoma. He was credited for four OSU victories that occurred during a medical leave of absence that followed and he announced his retirement after the 2005-06 season.

When Sutton, fifth-winningest coach in men's Division I history, was introduced Friday, a few fans whistled and one was spotted giving a fist-pump. Afterward, USF forward and Texas Tech transfer Dior Lowhorn described Sutton as being similar to Bobby Knight "without the yelling," although Lowhorn quickly pointed out that he meant no offense to Knight, who "yells to motivate."

The Dons scored only two points in the first seven-and-a-half minutes and, during that stretch, freshman guard Myron Strong threw a pass to an open referee on the perimeter. Strong returned to finish the game, but USF doomed itself with a slow second-half start (one field goal in the first six-and-a-half minutes.

backPhil
12-29-2007, 10:52 AM
So Jimmie Tramel is a TOOL as well?

Sutton's squad was beaten 62-54 at Weber State in a Friday game played before 2,518 fans and plenty of empty purple seats at Dee Events Center.

How many rimes as Tramel mentioned how many empty seats red seats there are at Lloyd Noble Mausoleum?

wickerbill
12-29-2007, 12:06 PM
So Jimmie Tramel is a TOOL as well?



How many rimes as Tramel mentioned how many empty seats red seats there are at Lloyd Noble Mausoleum?

Is there anybody in the media who isn't a "TOOL" in your eyes?

backPhil
12-29-2007, 01:24 PM
Is there anybody in the media who isn't a "TOOL" in your eyes?


Bill, what is the purpose of mentioning plenty of empty purple seats in an article about Eddie Sutton, unless one is an anti-Sutton/oSu TOOL?

If the number and color of empty seats is newsworthy, I am simply asking the rhetorical question if Tramel ensures that he refers to the number of empty red seats at LNM is included in his articles about uO basketball. Since the answer is obvious to all but the totally blinded negative nancys, then I chalk up Tramel as a TOOL in this catagory.

Non-TOOLs in the Oklahoma Sports Media include, among others, Mike Baldwin, Andrea Cohen, Darnell Mayberry, John Klein, Bill Haisten, Jack Mildren and John Holcomb.

Erick
12-29-2007, 02:18 PM
It was an away game for Coach Sutton, not a home game.

wickerbill
12-29-2007, 06:22 PM
Bill, what is the purpose of mentioning plenty of empty purple seats in an article about Eddie Sutton, unless one is an anti-Sutton/oSu TOOL?

If the number and color of empty seats is newsworthy, I am simply asking the rhetorical question if Tramel ensures that he refers to the number of empty red seats at LNM is included in his articles about uO basketball. Since the answer is obvious to all but the totally blinded negative nancys, then I chalk up Tramel as a TOOL in this catagory.

Non-TOOLs in the Oklahoma Sports Media include, among others, Mike Baldwin, Andrea Cohen, Darnell Mayberry, John Klein, Bill Haisten, Jack Mildren and John Holcomb.

Like Erick said, it was an away game so I don't see it as any type of a slam on anything other than Weber State.

Do you have a big spreadsheet where you keep track of what every media member writes about every school so you'll have evidence to deem them either a TOOL or not? You sure seem obsessed with keeping track of everything written in all of the newspapers and then calling them out for even the slightest thing you don't like.

Verb
12-29-2007, 07:03 PM
I've got issues with the headline. "Fizzles" indeed. :rolleyes:

Did anyone think that Eddie, after having the job for, oh...a whole day and not even knowing the players' names, was going to go out and get a big win on the road? Geesh. Give him some time.

backPhil
12-29-2007, 07:48 PM
. . . Do you have a big spreadsheet where you keep track of what every media member writes about every school so you'll have evidence to deem them either a TOOL or not? . . . .

Not yet, but that's a very good idea. Thanks!:D

backPhil
12-29-2007, 07:51 PM
It was an away game for Coach Sutton, not a home game.

Erik, that's my point. Why mention "empty seats" at an away game. What possibly could that have added to the article unless it was to try and make a negative statement of some sort against Coach Sutton.

wickerbill
12-29-2007, 08:15 PM
Erik, that's my point. Why mention "empty seats" at an away game. What possibly could that have added to the article unless it was to try and make a negative statement of some sort against Coach Sutton.

Maybe it was just a contrast to what he is used to coaching at compared to his previous jobs. Why always look for a negative against OSU when most of the time it's just a simple statement with no ulterior motive?

backPhil
12-29-2007, 08:43 PM
Maybe it was just a contrast to what he is used to coaching at compared to his previous jobs. Why always look for a negative against OSU when most of the time it's just a simple statement with no ulterior motive?

Why be a liberal when you can be a conservative?:rolleyes:

AnniePokely
12-29-2007, 08:58 PM
Erik, that's my point. Why mention "empty seats" at an away game. What possibly could that have added to the article unless it was to try and make a negative statement of some sort against Coach Sutton.

Huh???


You're looking pretty hard for something that isn't there. Not in this article. Give it a rest with the media conspiracy theories.

backPhil
12-29-2007, 09:15 PM
Huh???


You're looking pretty hard for something that isn't there. Not in this article. Give it a rest with the media conspiracy theories.

et tu AP?:(

AnniePokely
12-29-2007, 09:38 PM
I'm just saying not everyone is out to get OSU, Phil. I just think it's silly how some look for something to get bent out of shape about when it comes to the media. Sure, there ARE tools out there, and some who even go out of their way to get a dig in here or there, but i saw nothing in this article that showed Tramel was taking pot shots at OSU (or Sutton.. in this case). He's actually a pretty decent guy.