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JimBob
12-18-2007, 07:49 AM
Oh, brother: It's a tough week to be named Sutton

By JIMMIE TRAMEL World Sports Writer
12/18/2007


CIVIL WAR. Brother against brother. Sutton vs. Sutton. It sounds like something to look forward to -- unless your last name happens to be Sutton.

Sean Sutton is the basketball coach at Oklahoma State University. His younger brother, Scott, is the basketball coach at Oral Roberts University.

With a bit of nudging by ESPN, the Suttons agreed to pit their gladiators against each other. The day of dread arrives Thursday when the All-College Classic tips off at Oklahoma City's Ford Center.

"I'm not real excited about playing," Scott Sutton said. "I'm excited for my team and for my program. I think it's a great opportunity for our program to be on national TV and play in that environment. I am happy for them and happy for our program because I think it can help our program. But as far as personally going against Sean and against OSU, I'm not real excited about that."

Here's what the Suttons should do: Invent a time machine, zip back a few months and tell ESPN that the Suttons aren't going to engage in combat just to please viewers.

But it's just a silly game, right?

No, it's not.

The Suttons will get together for Christmas a few days after the game. What if their kids are so mad at Uncle Sean or Uncle Scott for beating dad that it sabotages the holiday?

Don't believe that could happen? Sure it could, especially when you grow up in a family where competition is a way of life.

In 2000, OSU lost an Elite Eight game to Florida. Sean was a Cowboy assistant and one of his friends, John Pelphrey, was a Gator assistant. The Suttons and Pelphreys are so tight that their families have vacationed together.

Pelphrey felt badly that he played a role in ending his buddy's season and he attempted to hug Sean's oldest son, Hunter. But Hunter refused to embrace a man who had cost his dad and grandfather (former OSU head coach Eddie Sutton) a Final Four trip.

Want to tell that kid it was only a game?

Fans and media may relish the intrigue of a hoops family feud, but you can bet the Suttons would rather watch anything other than a game where at least one family member is guaranteed to lose.

Patsy Sutton, mother of Sean and Scott and Steve (who chose banking rather than bank shots), has watched her children play and coach in a billion games, but she is telling family members she will skip this one.

"It's hard," said Papa Eddie, who wasn't going to go, but changed his mind because the All-College folks are honoring him at halftime. So, Eddie will endure one son making another son's job more difficult.

"And people don't understand that," Scott said.

Scott said many people used to criticize his dad for a reluc tance to schedule games against friends and former assistants.

But, said Scott, "People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. This is our livelihood. This is our jobs. Every time you lose, it's difficult to take, especially when you lose to somebody you care for or you beat somebody you care for. You hate to see a person you love suffer."

Maybe the Suttons should have consulted the Thompsons before agreeing to the game.

The sons of former Georgetown coach John Thompson squared off last season. John Thompson III's Georgetown squad beat Ronny Thompson-led Ball State 69-54.

Daddy Thompson objected when the game was scheduled and later called the idea of his boys playing each other "stupid," according to published reports. Pops attended the game, wore neutral colors and those who watched him wrote that he never changed expressions. Other family members wore shirts that said "All's fair in basketball and brotherhood."

John III said after the game that he didn't look toward his brother's bench until about three minutes were left.

"This was hard," he said. "I knew it would be difficult, and it was much more difficult than I thought it would be."

In 2004, Yale's James Jones and Columbia's Joe Jones became the first brothers to coach against each other in a major college basketball game since OSU's Henry Iba and Tulsa's Clarence Iba used to gig each other in the 1950s.

"It was weird," Joe Jones told the New York Times afterward. "You try not to focus on it, but then you walk out to the court and see your brother. He called me last night, saying he couldn't wait for this to just get over with, that the media was killing him. And he has an ego the size of this room, so you know it must have been getting bad."

Oklahoma will play Gonzaga in the nightcap of an All-College doubleheader. It's probably too late to ask ESPN to reshuffle the deck, so the Suttons are anxious to get this brother of all wars in the rear view mirror.

Pokes4Life
12-18-2007, 08:07 AM
This matchup is intriguing for the Sutton v. Sutton thing, but it's basically a lose-lose for OSU.

If we beat ORU, we were expected to do so from the get go, and if they beat us, it's a very bad loss. OSU has absolutely nothing to gain from this matchup.

wickerbill
12-18-2007, 08:53 AM
I'm not sure that people are expecting us to win this one.

CaliforniaCowboy
12-18-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm not sure that people are expecting us to win this one.

I think that most fans "expect" us to win this one, but most rational folks realize that the odds aren't in our favor.

Sadly, the Sean bashers are chomping at the bit for a loss in this one.

Lewis the Pike
12-18-2007, 11:47 AM
thanks for the post Jimbob

Good read, love the quality of journalism that comes out of the TW, especially compared to the other large metro paper in Oklahoma.

legelegel
12-18-2007, 05:26 PM
This is not the first time brothers coaching college basketball teams in Stillwater and Tulsa collided.

Some may remember Mr. Iba had a brother who coached Tulsa University.

I'm sure that there is somebody besides me that remembers his brother's first name.

SeaOfOrange
12-18-2007, 05:43 PM
I'm sure that there is somebody besides me that remembers his brother's first name.

Clarence?

legelegel
12-18-2007, 05:50 PM
Clarence?

Very good. Clarence was also a very good coach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Iba

backPhil
12-18-2007, 09:28 PM
This matchup is intriguing for the Sutton v. Sutton thing, but it's basically a lose-lose for OSU.

If we beat ORU, we were expected to do so from the get go, and if they beat us, it's a very bad loss. OSU has absolutely nothing to gain from this matchup.


I don't think we are good enough this year for a win or loss to make any significant difference one way or the other. This game has only entertainment value going for it. Nothing really to worry about either way. I'm just looking for improvement from game to game.

legelegel
12-18-2007, 09:35 PM
It's elitism and borders on being "yellow" to think we shouldn't play the other two Div 1A basketball teams in this state.

I think OSU should play Tulsa and ORU on a home and home basis if not every year at least regularly if they want the games too.

jakeman
12-19-2007, 05:04 AM
This is not the first time brothers coaching college basketball teams in Stillwater and Tulsa collided.

Some may remember Mr. Iba had a brother who coached Tulsa University.

I'm sure that there is somebody besides me that remembers his brother's first name.

Seriously?

Did you read the article?

jakeman
12-19-2007, 05:05 AM
Clarence?


You're killing me! :D

jakeman
12-19-2007, 05:08 AM
It's elitism and borders on being "yellow" to think we shouldn't play the other two Div 1A basketball teams in this state.

I think OSU should play Tulsa and ORU on a home and home basis if not every year at least regularly if they want the games too.


Bull. oSu has nothing to gain by playing those games. Nothing.

wickerbill
12-19-2007, 06:10 AM
Bull. oSu has nothing to gain by playing those games. Nothing.

It's actually a nice RPI boost to our average non-conference opponent.

legelegel
12-19-2007, 11:24 AM
Seriously?

Did you read the article?

Not as close as I now wish. :o

But I did know the history. :)

legelegel
12-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Bull. oSu has nothing to gain by playing those games. Nothing.

That's right. Fear is a good thing. We should try to ignore the competition in this state, because they may just be able to beat us.

That will always make you better. :rolleyes:

OU would like OSU to go away so they too could be a Nebraska.

legelegel
12-19-2007, 06:59 PM
For 11 years from 1935 to 1956, the teams of Mr. Iba and his brother Clarence played each other at least twice a year when Oklahoma A&M and Tulsa University were members of the Missouri Valley Conference.

The Suttons like the Ibas are big boys. We the fans did not choose these men’s careers and the level at which they would practice their craft for them. If the Suttons don’t want to play each other, because there is going to be hard feelings over who wins more than the other, then they should find other careers where they don’t have to compete.

Either of these schools' failure to play each other cheats us all, especially the sports fans of Oklahoma who have 4 Division 1 basketball teams in the state. There are many other examples of what I call “reluctant cowardice” to play certain teams within your borders, because they are perceived inferior and therefore present a risky proposition all together.

There is no good reason for ORU, OSU, Tulsa and UO not to play each other every year to see who is the best basketball team in the State of Oklahoma.

jakeman
12-20-2007, 06:43 PM
For 11 years from 1935 to 1956, the teams of Mr. Iba and his brother Clarence played each other at least twice a year when Oklahoma A&M and Tulsa University were members of the Missouri Valley Conference.

The Suttons like the Ibas are big boys. We the fans did not choose these men’s careers and the level at which they would practice their craft for them. If the Suttons don’t want to play each other, because there is going to be hard feelings over who wins more than the other, then they should find other careers where they don’t have to compete.

Either of these schools' failure to play each other cheats us all, especially the sports fans of Oklahoma who have 4 Division 1 basketball teams in the state. There are many other examples of what I call “reluctant cowardice” to play certain teams within your borders, because they are perceived inferior and therefore present a risky proposition all together.

There is no good reason for ORU, OSU, Tulsa and UO not to play each other every year to see who is the best basketball team in the State of Oklahoma.

Great idea.

Lets see if we can get ORU on the schedule twice a year.

We have nothing to gain by playing ORU or Tulsa. Nothing. And everything to lose.

We need to be very smart in our non-conf scheduling, and playing an in-state team with nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing us is just not smart.

legelegel
12-20-2007, 09:02 PM
Great idea.

Lets see if we can get ORU on the schedule twice a year.

We have nothing to gain by playing ORU or Tulsa. Nothing. And everything to lose.

We need to be very smart in our non-conf scheduling, and playing an in-state team with nothing to lose and everything to gain by playing us is just not smart.

That's elitist talk. If we can't play and be competitive with Division 1 teams in the state maybe we need to stop playing in Division 1.

I don't want Tulsa and ORU to think we are chicken. If they beat us, we just need to get better.

We have nothing to gain? We have our self respect to gain. We should play any team that comes our way and especially those that are in our neighborhood if we want to consider OSU to be a basketball school.