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OSU-DNA
05-14-2010, 03:01 PM
At the end of the day all of the sizing and realignments are predicated on money and opportunity. The NCAA has a rule which requires a conference to have 12 members in order to have a post season conference championship game for football. The PAC-10, BIG-10 (11) and the Big East do not have 12 teams and hence no additional money making conference championship game.

With the creation of the BIG-10 network and the SEC deal with CBS and ESPN, these conferences now have a substantial revenue lead versus the rest of the major conferences. The BIG-10 payout per team in roughly 22 Million and the SEC is in the 17 Million range. The BIG-12 for comparison produces media revenue averaging roughly 9M and change.

The Big-10 indicated their desire to expand their conference and obviously does not want their average payday to decline. The BIG-10 lacks entry to the largest media market around NYC. There is also a fertile TV market to their west and Notre Dame presents an interesting addition of national and international market opportunities if they were to join the BIG-10.

The PAC-10 would not want to be left behind, their current media revenue is roughly the same as the BIG-12 and the SEC does not want to be left behind whenever their is a discussion about money.

One thing to clarify is once you have access to a media market, you do not receive more money for increased viewership for the same market. So take Dallas-FT. Worth for example. UT, A&M, TT, SMU, Baylor and TCU would all be perceived as bringing access to the DFW market. However, if you only had UT and A&M you would still be credited with the same amount of market access. This is why adding teams to your conference in other media footprints than what you currently possess improves a conference's ability to increase media revenue.

BIG-10
A rumored offer to Missouri opens to the BIG-10 the St. Louis and KC media markets. Missouri would bring a lot of money to the table. The BIG-10 eyes would then look to the East and bring Rutgers and either Syracuse or Connecticut. An expansion to 16 teams would mean an invite for Nebraska and Notre Dame. If ND turns the BIG-10 down then the left over school from Syracuse or Connecticut might make the cut or they could go for Pitt.

I think an expansion to 16 places extreme pressure on ND and we might actually see them join a conference. In the interim, look for ND to sign many long term contracts to sew up as many games as possible in an attempt to keep their options open.

PAC-10
They would not want to be left behind. Bringing Colorado and Utah would provide them two major media markets but after getting to 12 members they would struggle expanding to 16 teams without attracting more Big-12 members.

SEC
While we see rumors of offers to Florida State, I see this and a raid of the ACC teams as only occurring if SEC is unable to attract UT, A&M, OU and OSU. The ACC teams provide only an overlap in market and are not as valuable in a media negotiation as providing new markets.

BIG-12
Can survive if only one team leaves by obtaining a replacement. The problem is that several of the BIG-12 teams present prime opportunity for several conferences and if one team were to leave it is likely that several will opt out.

OSU
It is essential that we win a seat during the musical chairs. And, to a great extent it is in our interest to go where UT goes. Our prime recruiting territory is Texas and maintaining the linkage is key to our future. If we approach this from a UT perspective, while they would like to keep the Big-12, if that is caving then it is more likely that they would want to be aligned with the PAC-10 rather than SEC. Why, not only from a competitive standpoint in reducing the number of opportunities to play for national titles, but the history of the SEC is one of continual cheating.

From my standpoint I could see an interim arrangement with the PAC-10 for marketing rights to our BIG-12 and PAC-10 games, but longer term a merger would be in our best interests to remove the risk of falling out of the loop in a last minute negotiation.

I could see the PAC-10 taking Colorado, UT, A&M, OU and OSU. But we sit on the last chair and we need to create more certainty by pushing for the merger.

osupsycho
05-14-2010, 04:42 PM
BIG-10
A rumored offer to Missouri opens to the BIG-10 the St. Louis and KC media markets. Missouri would bring a lot of money to the table. The BIG-10 eyes would then look to the East and bring Rutgers and either Syracuse or Connecticut. An expansion to 16 teams would mean an invite for Nebraska and Notre Dame. If ND turns the BIG-10 down then the left over school from Syracuse or Connecticut might make the cut or they could go for Pitt.

I think an expansion to 16 places extreme pressure on ND and we might actually see them join a conference. In the interim, look for ND to sign many long term contracts to sew up as many games as possible in an attempt to keep their options open.



Only problem with this is don't forget that the Big Ten is actually the Big 11 right now so if they are only going to get to the minimum for a conference championship then they only have to add one school. Sure seems like they are making a lot of noise with a lot of schools to just be looking for one...

MajorMike
05-16-2010, 03:49 PM
I think right now it is obvious that ND will get an invite, if any, first; all other teams will be invited AFTER ND turns it down.

The ND invite hasn't even gone out yet.

Way too much cart before the horse going on.

CaliforniaCowboy
05-25-2010, 03:46 PM
For OSU, it's the "what have you done for me lately" scenario...

With no big TV market to offer (so to speak), and very little national recognition, THIS season could be huge for OSU future. A 7-5 season or worse would not help our prestiege very much.

Our facilities aren't finished, our attendance is marginal (by big-school standards) and our academic (read research) credentials aren't enough to put us over the top.

Thank goodness Mr Pickens has put us in a position of improved athletic facilties, and improved academic standing (endowments)....

Unfortunately, IMHO, for OSU to stand on our own merits (and not hang on some other conference team's coat-tails) we will need a solid football season, AND another infusion of cash for athletics and academics to make us attractive as a stand-alone team.

osupsycho
05-26-2010, 07:01 AM
For OSU, it's the "what have you done for me lately" scenario...

With no big TV market to offer (so to speak), and very little national recognition, THIS season could be huge for OSU future. A 7-5 season or worse would not help our prestiege very much.

Our facilities aren't finished, our attendance is marginal (by big-school standards) and our academic (read research) credentials aren't enough to put us over the top.

Thank goodness Mr Pickens has put us in a position of improved athletic facilties, and improved academic standing (endowments)....

Unfortunately, IMHO, for OSU to stand on our own merits (and not hang on some other conference team's coat-tails) we will need a solid football season, AND another infusion of cash for athletics and academics to make us attractive as a stand-alone team.

After thinking about this more and more, I disagree. Most everyone is predicting that if there is a break for superconferences of 16 teams then you will be looking at 4 of these conferences. Currently there are 5 BCS conferences (big ten, pac ten, big 12, sec, and big east) that right now have 53 teams. Plus you cannot ignore the one big independent in Notre Dame so that makes it 54 teams that are currently already setup to funnel into the new superconferences. Doing the math: 4 x 16 superconferences you need 64 teams!!! So that means you have to add 10 more teams than the big 5 have right now just to make that number. That is before you even think about NOT bringing along some current members (like us). Of the schools not in the big 5 conferences right now (excluding ND of course) there are schools such as:

ECU
Houston
Marshall
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulane
Tulsa
UAB
UCF
UTEP
Army
Navy
Akron
Ball State
Air Force
BYU
CSU
New Mexico
SDSU
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming
Boise State
Fresno State
Hawaii

Of the above teams I have trouble believing even 5 would be considered above us, never the less ten of them. And that is only if we are considered to be the worst choice of all the current big 5 conference members. So even under this worst case scenario we will still be in one of the big conferences, just which one??

CaliforniaCowboy
05-26-2010, 12:34 PM
that's a nice analysis, and well thought out.

However, it ASSUMES that there would be 4 super conferences, which is just ONE scenario in the discussion; and IMHO, the least likely to happen.

More likely would be a moderate expansion of the Big11. For example, what happens to us if Texas leaves for the Big11, and/or OU leaves, and nothing more? (or OU, Texas and Missouri join the Big11?)

It pretty much leaves us hanging in the wind with a bunch of so-so teams.

We need to be more attractive than the rest of these other teams, to be able to make a case to some other conference, or to get us admitted over say, an A&M.

Lewis the Pike
05-26-2010, 02:15 PM
After thinking about this more and more, I disagree. Most everyone is predicting that if there is a break for superconferences of 16 teams then you will be looking at 4 of these conferences. Currently there are 5 BCS conferences (big ten, pac ten, big 12, sec, and big east) that right now have 53 teams. Plus you cannot ignore the one big independent in Notre Dame so that makes it 54 teams that are currently already setup to funnel into the new superconferences. Doing the math: 4 x 16 superconferences you need 64 teams!!! So that means you have to add 10 more teams than the big 5 have right now just to make that number. That is before you even think about NOT bringing along some current members (like us). Of the schools not in the big 5 conferences right now (excluding ND of course) there are schools such as:



One problem is you omit the 12 ACC teams in the equation,

which is kind of easy, aside from V-tech, they kind of suck.

osupsycho
05-27-2010, 07:10 AM
Dang I did forget the ACC...

The one thing I think will happen though is that if they start to moving to superconferences then you will likely get 4. The SEC said they will move to that if Big Ten does and the PAC 10 has also made rumblings of the same. That leaves the ACC and the remanants of the other conferences to build the last one. I think that if it does we end up in the SEC or the PAC 10. Hopefully nothing will happen though...