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JimBob
03-13-2008, 11:16 AM
Sutton has right to tell Holder to shove it

By DAVE SITTLER Sports Columnist
3/13/2008


KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- If I'm Sean Sutton, I go Johnny Paycheck on Mike Holder the day Oklahoma State's basketball season ends.

Paycheck is the late country music singer who is best remembered for making a hit out a song with this title: "Take This Job And Shove It."

That's precisely the six words OSU's beleaguered basketball coach should tell his athletic director after the final game. And that could come as soon as Thursday if OSU loses to Texas Tech in the first round of the Big 12 Conference Tournament.

The deplorable way Holder has treated Sutton this season, leaving the coach's future with the Pokes twisting in the wind, borders on cruel.

Think about it. Name me a coach in any sport at any school who gets fired after just two seasons. And a lot of second-year coaches haven't had near the success Sutton has brought to OSU.

That's what is so crazy about this situation. There is no way, given both his accomplishments (38 wins and counting) and the short time he's been on the job, that Sutton's future should even be up for debate.

But it is, and Holder's the reason why. He's steadfastly refused to confirm that Sutton will be back for a third season.

His stubborn silence has once again cranked the rumor mill up to warp speed.

The rampant speculation on Sutton, which had slowed when OSU won five straight, started heating up again when the Pokes lost their final two regular-season games.

It was a hot topic Wednesday in the media room at the Sprint Center, where the eight coaches who are playing in today's first-round games met with the press.

It was why a writer from the Kansas City Star felt compelled to ask Sutton if it's been difficult to operate without a vote of confidence from his athletic director.

"I just try to worry about the things that I can control," Sutton said. "And that's coaching this basketball team."

But the pressure has to be incredible. How, I asked Sutton in a follow-up question, has he been able keep his wits about him and turn OSU's season around to the point that other coaches have lavished praise on his work?

"I'm just trying to coach and do the best job that I can do," Sutton said. "And concentrate on what I can control."

What Sutton can't control is Holder, who will be totally out of control if the latest rumor is true -- that he intends to fire Sutton within 48 hours after the Cowboys' last game.

Hey, I'm not making these rumors up. They're all over place, including in the minds of the players Sutton's trying to coach.

That negative effect and the pressure on the players is the overlooked part of this soap opera Holder's allowed to continue by remaining silent.

Several Cowboys have acknowledged that they know they are playing to save their coach's job.

Senior forward Marcus Dove, who has been in the program five years and watched the difficult circumstances Sutton inherited, spoke passionately yesterday about his coach's ability to deal with the negativity and unfair challenges he's faced.

"The one thing that kept our ship steady was coach Sean," said Dove of OSU bouncing back from a 1-6 start in Big 12 play. "He never showed any signs of panic. Coach Sean never let us stop believing.

"When we saw that our head coach had such a calm head at times of trouble, we calmed ourselves down too."

That's called leadership. It's what a lot of AD's would kill to have in a coach. Especially a second-year coach who is still finding his way.

Sutton's love for OSU has undoubtedly been a motivating factor in the professional way he's dealt with a situation that would have unquestionably freaked out a lot of his peers. I know plenty of coaches who would have gone into a total meltdown by now had they been forced to deal with the stress and uncertainty that's shadowed Sutton the past three months.

Boone Pickens, who is Holder's biggest cheerleader, often talks about how much love the Cowboys' AD has for OSU. Well that feeling is no stronger or more genuine than what Sutton also holds for his alma mater.

Just like Holder, Sutton's devotion to OSU comes from all the hard work he's put into the school over the years as a player, an assistant and now a head coach.

It's that sincere passion for OSU that wouldn't allow Sutton to ever go Johnny Paycheck on Holder.

But there are many who have watched this unneeded situation unfold who wouldn't blame Sutton if he gave Holder precise instructions on what he could do that job.

And they wouldn't sing it.

Lewis the Pike
03-13-2008, 11:43 AM
it's not Holder's fault....

Boone is the one pulling the strings of the puppet show.

Verb
03-13-2008, 11:50 AM
This article is very upsetting to me in any number of ways.

If Sittler's speculations are correct, that makes me FURIOUS at Mike Holder.

If Sittler is just stirring the pot and gossip-mongering, conveniently timed on the day of our all-important basketball game, that makes me furious at Sittler and the TW.

Either way, it sucks. :furious3:

bleedorange
03-13-2008, 11:58 AM
it's not Holder's fault....

Boone is the one pulling the strings of the puppet show.

Yes, some people have that opinion. Thankfully it's not backed up by facts.

bleedorange
03-13-2008, 12:01 PM
I stopped reading at "by Dave Sittler".

He's never given two chits about the OSU program. I'm not going to start listening to his opinion now.

Inky29
03-13-2008, 12:04 PM
Sittler is just trying to stir the pot, why else would you report a rumor that I can say I have yet to hear, and I've heard quite a few of them about this situation. Trust me, if this is Holder's plan there's no way he's talking about it. He's a hack writer, always has been always will be.

Another thing, why is Holder going to get all the blame for this and none is going to go to Sean. People act like Sean is some sweetheart of a guy and just, aww shucks, wants to coach OSU basketball and win here. Does it strike anyone else as odd that he's had so many problems with assistant coaches, players, and apparently an AD? I mean in everyone of those situations it's been Sean the good guy and everyone else the bad guy. Maybe that's how it really is but common sense and logic tells me there's a good chance that maybe the problem lies some with Sean, maybe not all of it but at least some.

What sucks is the way we are playing basketball the past 3 years.

MemphisPoke
03-13-2008, 01:00 PM
Controversy sells newspapers.

Sittler thinks he is a writer.

No one knows what will happen so why worry about it.



(pick 2 out of the above and go with it)




ru·mor
–noun 1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war.
2. gossip; hearsay: Don't listen to rumor.
3. Archaic. a continuous, confused noise; clamor; din.

BigBadBen
03-13-2008, 01:07 PM
Sittler is just trying to stir the pot, why else would you report a rumor



He & Jaba the Carlson keep their ears to the rumor mill, listening for rumblings & words on the street, all the while feeding each other chicken.

Inky29
03-13-2008, 01:36 PM
I just had a mental image of Jabba the Hut (Carlson) and some dancing girl on a chain (Sittler) bringing Jabba a rat to eat.

Lewis the Pike
03-13-2008, 02:44 PM
[QUOTE=MemphisPoke;13511]Controversy sells newspapers.

Sittler thinks he is a writer.
.....
[QUOTE]

He is a journalist, but not a writer, he's a columnist.

Jimmy Tramel is more of the writer....

But you are right about controversy.

Who gave a flip about Eliot Spitzer this time last week???:cowboy:

snuffy
03-13-2008, 03:04 PM
I believe that Sean Sutton is the right guy for the job and needs at least one more year. Having said that, I really feel sorry for Holder, the phrase " the suns never shines on a dog ass" comes to mind right now. This poor guy is damned if does, and is damned if his doesn't when it comes to OSU sports. I know he took the job and realizes that public critism and fans and the media will have vocal public opinions, but jeez. I may not agree with everything that he has done, and for me the jury is still out on how much influence Boone Pickens has, but at the end of the day I have to remember one thing about Holder. He is a COWBOY, this is his school, and the man wears ORANGE. Until he does something truly egregious I believe he will do what is best for OSU sports, his first priority, and OSU in general. I really hope that part of that is letting Sean Sutton go, but if it is, it is because it was what’s best for OSU.

snuffy
03-13-2008, 03:10 PM
“Black Expatriates in the Age of Civil Rights"?, by Dr. Kevin Gaines
One other thing that I have considered may happen is that Sean Sutton walks away because it is best for all concerned. Just like Huston Nutt walked away from Arkansas as a good coach and got a job in less than a day. He had been offered an extension and could have stayed. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he make the statement that due to the fractured fans base it would be better if he went because the school was more important than he was. I rally do not want it to come down to this but it may, and if it does I think Sean would leave because he does love OSU that much.


Sorry for the ranting, but it hurts when you see people that care about the same thing that you do get ripped apart because someone can type on a keyboard, especially when all the people concerned loves OSU and know what it means to wear orange.


GO POKES!!!! BEAT TEXAS!!!!!

BigBadBen
03-13-2008, 03:57 PM
I just had a mental image of Jabba the Hut (Carlson) and some dancing girl on a chain (Sittler) bringing Jabba a rat to eat.


No Bewwy Twehmehwl anywhewr?

acefin
03-13-2008, 04:16 PM
I dont know which pisses me off more ? dean bringing up pettigrew's situation with the ou recruit situation or the irresponsible media twits who can get a free pass even if it was slander .

in the words of the late Jackie Gleason

" if they would have cremated that s.o.b. i could have been kicking mr bandit's ass around the moon by now"

why cant osu sue the tw or d.o. and put a crackdown on this stuff ?

okstatepike
03-14-2008, 08:39 AM
Oh please, slander? Come on.

To the adults on the board I'll say this, I have been on Holder's side alot since he took the job. The man has made some very tough decisions and done what he thought was right for our athletic program. The bottom line is, that is what you want in a leader. I haven't agreed with everything he has done so far, but I think he has done a good job.

If we were to let Sean go after this season I think it would be the worst thing to happen to our basketball program in years. With the improvements the team has made lately and the influence the freshmen are starting to have I think our future is pretty bright with Sean at the helm. And I think Holder is smart enough to know it too.

As for all of the rumors (or fact, whatever) that Holder and the Suttons can't stand each other... who cares? Have you ever liked all of the people that worked for you? But in the end, did you not treat them according to their performance? In the end that is what smart, mature leaders do and I bet that is what Holder does as well.

Lewis the Pike
03-17-2008, 10:44 AM
I stopped reading at "by Dave Sittler".

He's never given two chits about the OSU program. I'm not going to start listening to his opinion now.

T. Boone wanted Les gone, he's gone. He also won a MNC at his next job.

T. Boone says he'll have influence, "if there is a new basketball coach, football coach or school president." In print and televison media interviews.

T. Boone has given nearly $200 million to the athletic department.

T. Boone and Holder are longtime friends.

A sitting president and possible future war criminal spoke at an OSU commencement, partly because of his relationship with T. Boone.

T. Boone is a long trime friend of the GOP; Eddie Sutton is an outspoken Democrat.

Sean is Eddie's son.

The next to last line may or may not have any impact on the situation. But everything else is God's Honest Truth.

osutuba
03-17-2008, 05:37 PM
I just had a mental image of Jabba the Hut (Carlson) and some dancing girl on a chain (Sittler) bringing Jabba a rat to eat.
Photoshop Bandit, anyone?

Lewis the Pike
04-01-2008, 05:21 PM
Looks like Sittler was right...eh?

BigBadBen
04-01-2008, 06:09 PM
While you are digging up all these old posts, find the ones about Ron Paul winning the election.

FloridaPoke
04-01-2008, 06:12 PM
While you are digging up all these old posts, find the ones about Ron Paul winning the election.

Should be moved to a new "instant classic" board

Lewis the Pike
04-01-2008, 06:31 PM
While you are digging up all these old posts, find the ones about Ron Paul winning the election.

show me what I said then....:D