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cowboystover
02-20-2010, 05:53 AM
Bryant recalls 'unfair' suspension by NCAA, is moving on to NFL
NFL.com Wire Reports


Dez Bryant believes the NCAA was "unfair" in its handling of his rules violation case at Oklahoma State and judged him based on the belief that former NFL player Deion Sanders had been serving as a runner for an agent.

Dez Bryant had 147 catches for 2,425 yards and 29 touchdowns in 28 career games at Oklahoma State before he left school early after an NCAA suspension.

Bryant said in an interview Wednesday that Sanders, now an NFL Network analyst, didn't introduce him to agent Eugene Parker during an offseason meeting that eventually led to the former Oklahoma State wide receiver being suspended for the final nine games of the 2009 season and the Cotton Bowl. Bryant, who has been invited to next week's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, left school early and is eligible for this year's draft.

Through the course of the NCAA's inquiry, Bryant said he learned to be more upfront with investigators and he'd tell players who find themselves in his situation to act the same way.

"I would tell the college player to be honest at all times, but at the same time, I just feel like -- I don't know -- the NCAA, they're going to do whatever they want to do," Bryant said.

Bryant believes his punishment was more severe than those handed down by the NCAA to other players who broke rules.

"I'm just going to leave it at that," he said. "I just feel like it was really unfair."

The NCAA suspended Bryant not for meeting with Sanders but for lying to an investigator who questioned the receiver about it. But Bryant doesn't sound like he believes that.

"I lied, which everybody knows that I lied, but I also did tell the truth and tell them that I did go out to (Sanders') house," Bryant said. "But I just feel like there was more to the situation. I feel like they thought that Deion was a runner for Eugene. I didn't even know Eugene at the time. I didn't know him at all.

"Deion never brought him up around me. He never talked football around me. He never talked about what I was going to do after football, who I was thinking about signing with. He never talked about that. He only talked about family to me, and that was it."

Bryant did end up signing with Parker.

"The whole thing wasn't fair, but at the same time, I feel like in my mind, I didn't do anything that bad to hurt myself," Bryant said. "That's why I moved forward. I'm not worrying about the situation anymore. I'm just worrying about finally coming to my dream to get to play in the NFL."

Sanders denied any wrongdoing in the Bryant case during an October interview on NFL Network's "NFL Gameday Morning." Sanders said the problem was that Bryant lied to investigators.

"They wanted to question Dez about our relationship, and Dez was nervous about, 'Why do these NCAA people have me in this room with a closed door questioning me?'" Sanders said. "Now, had I been a liar or falsified any incident or evidence, my story would have collaborated with Dez. The kid said he didn't come to my home. In actuality, he did."

Bryant played in Oklahoma State's first three games of the season before being suspended. He pulled out of school and declared that he was entering the draft almost immediately after the NCAA rejected his appeal on Nov. 5. Bryant said he figured the NCAA would deny the appeal and he already had moved ahead with his plans to go pro.

Bryant finished with 147 catches for 2,425 yards and 29 touchdowns in 28 career games at Oklahoma State. He had 87 receptions for 1,480 yards and 19 TDs during his sophomore year, when he was a Biletnikoff Award finalist.

Bryant said he trained in late November and early December before taking a break to prevent burnout. He resumed workouts last month in preparation for the combine, where he believes he has something to prove.

Bucky Brooks has Dez Bryant slated for the Broncos with the 11th overall pick in the first round in his latest draft scenario.

= "I just want them to see that I've still got it," said Bryant, who also plans to go through Oklahoma State's Pro Day next month. "I still have a strong passion for this game, and it just takes a lot to get out of my comfort zone. It takes a lot."

Bryant had expected to have a hard time coping with being suspended from football, a game he has played since the fifth grade.

"I just knew that this was a steppingstone in life. It's not like I haven't been through anything harder than that," Bryant said. "I felt like just putting it behind, just keeping my chin up and just moving on, and that's what I did. I didn't get down on myself."

CaliforniaCowboy
02-20-2010, 08:40 AM
Dez: "I just don't understand why a University based organization would put so much emphasis on ethics! Seems silly to me."

Lewis the Pike
02-20-2010, 09:49 AM
if the NCAA wants ethical behavior, they can be honest and forthcoming anytime they want.

College Athletics is a farce, if you want true amateurism, stick to Pop Warner. If Oklahoma State can make a cut off a #1, #21, or #82 jersey, why shouldn't Dez , Barry or Rashaun?

Why are tickets cheaper for the San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders, Chicago Bears (all stadiums I have visited) than Boone Pickens Stadium?

If the NCAA would have said, "here's the situation, here's the rules, what happened?" Do you think he would have lied?

They were being punitive, because a young kid doesn't need the NCAA.

If you want ethics, integrity, honesty, transperency in college sports.... Support a minor league. The quicker we get a legitimate minor league football system, and allow kids that WANT to be in college the oppty to showcase their institution, we will have true amateurism.

It will also be reminiscent of Div. III

CaliforniaCowboy
02-21-2010, 08:01 AM
is that your new routine Matt?

There's some funny stuff in that rant.... not much truth or honesty, but still pretty funny.

1) I'm having a hard time understanding you trying to link "amaturism" and "profit". One is about the player and the other about the organization. Besides, it's a symbionic relationship anyway... one side gets some skooling and to showcase their skills and the other gets to pay for all the other athletes and some fancy digs for the "amatures".

2) Cheaper Tickets: I bet those stadiums are bigger, I bet they play more home games typically, I bet they get more TV and endorsement money, I bet they don't have to support the local soccer team or WNBA team.

3) why should it be up to the NCAA to be careful how they phase things so that a kid will be honest? Besides, he lied to his attorney too, so drop that facad right now.

I don't know why anybody is still trying to defend his behavior.

Lewis the Pike
02-24-2010, 07:42 AM
is that your new routine Matt?

There's some funny stuff in that rant.... not much truth or honesty, but still pretty funny.

1) I'm having a hard time understanding you trying to link "amaturism" and "profit". One is about the player and the other about the organization. Besides, it's a symbionic relationship anyway... one side gets some skooling and to showcase their skills and the other gets to pay for all the other athletes and some fancy digs for the "amatures".

2) Cheaper Tickets: I bet those stadiums are bigger, I bet they play more home games typically, I bet they get more TV and endorsement money, I bet they don't have to support the local soccer team or WNBA team.

3) why should it be up to the NCAA to be careful how they phase things so that a kid will be honest? Besides, he lied to his attorney too, so drop that facad right now.

I don't know why anybody is still trying to defend his behavior.

1) To me amateurism is all about the intent of the organization. It is part of the reason, people are alot more passionate about the OSU baseball team than the Tulsa Drillers, or OKC Redhawks.

The NCAA sells the marketability of amateurism. I "get" that college sports is like an internship. Its valuable experience. 4-5 years is a bit longer than any unpaid internship I would sign up for though.

2) Those teams all have about $80 million in NFL Contracts to be accountable for. I just think there is either some major inefficencies in our ticketing structure. Either that or someone is getting insanely rich off the work of kids working for free. And granted San Diego is an old stadium, and Oakland is a toilet, but Chicago was gorgeous.

3) I am all about intent, he lied, he should be punished. But what did the lie cover up? A NON VIOLATION.

Playing NCAA football is a privlege. I agree. But the punishment did not fit the crime, and the NCAA dropped the hammer on him, because guys who don't NEED the NCAA (Oj Mayo, Reggie Bush, Derrick Rose) can usually get in/out before getting slammed.

The NCAA's original intent is not a bad thing, what they have become sucks.

MajorMike
02-24-2010, 07:54 AM
Dez: "I just don't understand why a University based organization would put so much emphasis on ethics! Seems silly to me."

I don't know why anybody is still trying to defend his behavior.

And I don't know why someone has to continually make fun of the kid for making an honest, albiet stupid, mistake.

bleedorange
02-24-2010, 07:55 AM
The NCAA sells the marketability of amateurism. I "get" that college sports is like an internship. Its valuable experience. 4-5 years is a bit longer than any unpaid internship I would sign up for though.

So you place $0 value on 4 years college education, room, board, clothing etc.? I contend they are reimbursed quite well.

CaliforniaCowboy
02-24-2010, 01:30 PM
And I don't know why someone has to continually make fun of the kid for making an honest, albiet stupid, mistake.


Was that an intentional pun, Mike? Really, an "honest" mistake?

I'm not making fun of him, he's the one giving interviews and playing the victim card. I would not have said anything if he hadn't been out there blabbling again and acting like a victim.

CaliforniaCowboy
02-24-2010, 01:33 PM
1) 3) I am all about intent, he lied, he should be punished. But what did the lie cover up? A NON VIOLATION.

The NCAA's original intent is not a bad thing, what they have become sucks.


It's been well documented and discussed that Dez was in violation of two counts of improper benefits; to which OSU agreed.

What did he cover up? Minor violations.

MajorMike
02-24-2010, 01:56 PM
I'd play the victim card, too, if players from other schools and get DUIs and have federal firearms violations and be found with marajuana and try to kill their best friend in a drunken bar rage and still play, when you lied about a non-infraction because you were a dummy and get booted.

No one is trying to say he didn't do something wrong, but don't liken his statements to Reid's espn whining, either.

CaliforniaCowboy
02-24-2010, 02:03 PM
I'd play the victim card, too, if players from other schools and get DUIs and have federal firearms violations and be found with marajuana and try to kill their best friend in a drunken bar rage and still play, when you lied about a non-infraction because you were a dummy and get booted.

No one is trying to say he didn't do something wrong, but don't liken his statements to Reid's espn whining, either.

Then maybe he should fess up and just take it like a man, instead of being "wronged" and the "victim".

and BTW - his infraction (it was a violation, again) IS/WAS worse than all of those other things you listed. Those are CRIMES, not NCAA violations. People GO TO JAIL for those offenses, not get kicked out of football games.

Those other examples people did something to someone else and they have civil recourse, they did not do anything to the NCAA like Dez did.

I don't understand why people are still having trouble understand the difference between breaking the law and violating NCAA rules.

MajorMike
02-24-2010, 02:41 PM
Obviously no sense discussing it with you when you want to put him in ElReno and are going to say silly things to make him look worse.

Superaggie2
02-24-2010, 03:52 PM
Then maybe he should fess up and just take it like a man, instead of being "wronged" and the "victim".

and BTW - his infraction (it was a violation, again) IS/WAS worse than all of those other things you listed. Those are CRIMES, not NCAA violations. People GO TO JAIL for those offenses, not get kicked out of football games.

Those other examples people did something to someone else and they have civil recourse, they did not do anything to the NCAA like Dez did.

I don't understand why people are still having trouble understand the difference between breaking the law and violating NCAA rules.

People GO To JAIL for these offenses ? Well CC,they don't always,sometimes they just handle them internally.

Lewis the Pike
02-24-2010, 04:59 PM
So you place $0 value on 4 years college education, room, board, clothing etc.? I contend they are reimbursed quite well.

I agree, the education is a great opportunity. Unfortunately not all of these guys are Bill Bradley or Robert Smith (Ohio St./Vikings running back who got his MD). Alot of these dudes get their degree ONLY because they are required to to keep playing. Yes, there is a significant of % from revenue producing sports (football, and M/F basketball) that are there for an education.

There is value, but most athletes from revenue producing sports are there for the oppty to get to the next level, not the degree.

As for the cost of food/ room they are treated well, but I would wager that those dorm rooms could also be filled by other students, if they weren't occupied by athletes.

Verb
02-24-2010, 05:13 PM
People GO To JAIL for these offenses ? Well CC,they don't always,sometimes they just handle them internally.

I admit it--this made me LOL!

wickerbill
02-24-2010, 06:08 PM
I agree, the education is a great opportunity. Unfortunately not all of these guys are Bill Bradley or Robert Smith (Ohio St./Vikings running back who got his MD). Alot of these dudes get their degree ONLY because they are required to to keep playing. Yes, there is a significant of % from revenue producing sports (football, and M/F basketball) that are there for an education.

There is value, but most athletes from revenue producing sports are there for the oppty to get to the next level, not the degree.

As for the cost of food/ room they are treated well, but I would wager that those dorm rooms could also be filled by other students, if they weren't occupied by athletes.

But you can't ignore the fact that the vast majority of these players will never play professionally so they have a degree to help them make a better living for the rest of their lives.

CaliforniaCowboy
02-26-2010, 11:21 AM
People GO To JAIL for these offenses ? Well CC,they don't always,sometimes they just handle them internally.

They "can" handle them internally, because they are not NCAA violations, they are TEAM violations (on most teams).

Superaggie2
02-26-2010, 09:22 PM
So say a player using roids goes nuts,and beats up his best friend,putting him in a coma. Then the TEAM,covers the problems up by lets say blaming it on alcohol. The other teams in this teams league protest this action,but these protest are overturned by lets say the head group of all the leagues,who instead buy this act of fools gold. Now as far as this not being an NCAA violation,maybe not,it's just a criminal act that anyone else would serve time for. Also,IF the NCAA wanted to make it an NCAA act they could be it by a lack of instutional control,but some of these teams make the NCAA too much money,thus the NCAA looks the other way on their behalf. Oh wait,I know, that never really happens does it.

MemphisPoke
02-27-2010, 06:04 AM
You have such a way with words, Superaggie2.



:D

Lewis the Pike
03-01-2010, 09:33 AM
I agree with Cali; Dvorcek, was a criminal matter, aside from the roid issue, not NCAA's field.

HOWEVER:

Bomar/Quinn booted from the team, "vacated wins" kind of a harmless crime.

Peterson, clear violation. no harm done.

Sampson's phone calls, he was actually dinged by the NCAA as he should be.

0% graduation rate in mens basketball.

They actually admitted to cheating in Women's gymnastics.

SOUNDS LIKE INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL ISSUES!
But just because the squatters do it, doesn't mean we should use them as a measuring stick for behavioral issues.

FloridaPoke
03-01-2010, 08:44 PM
Cali you have multiple times brought up Dez violations "other than" lying. The ONLY violations found other than lying was avoided charges (less than $50) for going into the gym in TX and walking around the track with Deion. Yet, even the NCAA has a process for such deminimus crap and there is zero chance they would be deemed a violation at the end of the day. Deminimus crap happens every day with every school. That is why the NCAA has a special process for it and they are never found to "stick" So quit trying to mislead people that Dez did anything wrong other than get "hotboxed" by investigators and being stupid. I am not a Dez defender. I think he has issues. And he was well represented and his representatives told him to tell the truth. Yet, history has proven that if you take a younster and hot box him in interrogation, they do stupid stuff, like lie even when they have nothing to hide.

MajorMike
03-02-2010, 06:40 AM
CC obviously harbors some sort of hatred towards Dez. He dumps on him in every thread. He may try to mask it by saying over and over how the crime world and the NCAA world are different and mock people for taking up for him, but the sole reason everyone is on his case about it is because it is so painfully evident he hates Dez; and we don't like it.

Vulgar Display of Orange
03-02-2010, 07:29 AM
I don't see why it still matters. Going out of your way to defend him or tear him down doesn't change anything. The season is over, and there is nothing we can do about it now.

As far as the NCAA goes they are consistent in that they are and will always be inconsistent. Where there is no basis for what is fair and what is just there is no basis for what is unfair and what is unjust.

We (OSU) should not dwell on it, but move on and do everything we can to make sure we don't put ourselves in this position again.