Jeff, Welcome to Our Little 'HELL-HOLE!'

[Mr. Orange-Power]

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BNET
3/12/08

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State can't meet until the semifinals of the Big 12 Tournament, which is unlikely. But a new twist to the Bedlam rivalry was added last week when an ESPN crew filming the Sooners caught OU coach Jeff Capel imploring his team to "hurry up and take a shower and get the hell out of this hell-hole" following a victory in Stillwater.

Capel backtracked when asked about his comment.

"I don't remember saying anything," Capel said. "Stillwater is a great college town, seems like. I haven't been there except for two times, less than 48 hours, 24 hours really. Gallagher-Iba (Arena) is a tremendous place to play, a lot of tradition, nice place.

[pistolpete2002]

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STILLWATER — Oklahoma State men’s basketball coach Travis Ford, having played at Kentucky, understands a good rivalry. And he thought he’d been properly briefed on all things Cowboy and Sooner.

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→When: 1 p.m. Saturday

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Still, it took his boys to fully fill Ford in on Bedlam’s bigness.

With his first OSU team on a roll late last season, having won six straight heading to OU for the regular-season finale, Ford pushed the importance of the game on his players. He talked big picture about things like finishing 10-6 in the Big 12 and strengthening their case for NCAA Tournament inclusion.

Ford’s oldest son, Brooks, now 10, thought dad missed the message.

"He said, ‘Forget the NCAA Tournament, this is Bedlam,’” Ford recalled. "‘We’ve got to beat those guys!’”

Later, with the season over and the family arriving in Florida for vacation, the Fords waited for the valet to deliver their rental car. Finally, as the car turned toward them, Ford’s youngest son, 5-year-old Shane, broke down in tears.

The vehicle was a Ford Explorer – a red Ford Explorer.

"He was upset,” Ford said. "He said, ‘We can’t take that car, it’s red!’ It didn’t even trigger with me that it was red or what was the matter.

"I said, ‘What’s the big deal?’ And he said, ‘No, no, we don’t drive in the Sooner car.’

"My youngest probably takes it to the extreme. And that was definitely the extreme.”

Eventually, Shane relented, and the Fords went on their way, tooling around the Sunshine State under a red roof.

And Ford’s take on the series gained a new perspective.

"It’s amazing how quickly they catch on,” Ford said of his sons. "They probably understood more about Bedlam than I did, just from their classmates at school. It doesn’t take long to figure it out.

"They quickly understood, you’re either a Cowboy fan or a Sooner fan, one or the other, no in between.”

Maybe Brooks will reprise his claim again Saturday, when Bedlam comes to Stillwater. And dad wouldn’t disagree.

The Cowboys need to beat those guys — to bolster their NCAA hopes.

What dad won’t agree with is any ill will aimed at the Sooners. Ford said he recognizes the rivalry for all that’s good about it. And that’s what he wants from his sons.

"As a parent, I understand the rivalry and it’s great for the fans,” Ford said, "but you want them to understand it’s not that they’re the enemy. I don’t want them to think it’s the enemy. They are the opponent. It’s a big game for both teams. And it’s fun to be a part of rivalry games. It’s exciting.

"But you don’t want them to develop hatred towards anybody.”

Not even Sooners.

At least that’s Ford’s message to his kids. He understands things might be a bit different in the stands.

"It’s more about the fans,” Ford said. "For me, I consider (OU coach) Jeff Capel a great friend and a great coach. There’s no rivalry between he and I. You’d find that even with the players. Our players know their players pretty well.

"Rivalries exist among the fans more than anybody.”



I don't know about you, but I want our coach to HATE, that's right HATE the goons. Maybe then that would pass off to our players and we'd start beating the snot out of them. I'm sick of losing to those cheatin' fools, especially when we CLEARLY have the better team!!!!!!!!!! Ford and company need to get a chip on their shoulder when it comes to BEDLAM and kick the crap out of them. At least, that's what I'm expecting tomorrow!!!!!

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[OrangePhish]

http://newsok.com/osu-basketball-coachs-kids-know-about-bedlam/article/3438662?custom_click=rss

"It’s more about the fans,” Ford said. "For me, I consider (OU coach) Jeff Capel a great friend and a great coach. There’s no rivalry between he and I. You’d find that even with the players. Our players know their players pretty well.

"Rivalries exist among the fans more than anybody.”


That attitude is part of the reason why many of us as OSU fans, have not bought into Travis Ford being the head coach at our Alma Mater. It is a continued attitude of separating himself from the fan base.

It is not that we necessarily desire for him to hate the Gooners, we want a coach that understands what it means to be an Oklahoma State Cowboy.

You are wrong Mr. Travis Ford. As the head man in charge of the Oklahoma State University Men's basketball program, you should know that the rivalry is not just about fans.

The animosity felt by both programs toward each other is described as Bedlam for a reason. Do your research Travis and buy into that attitude.

If you don't, you will NEVER be accepted by the fan base as a leader of a program that so many of us truly love.

When you stop looking in the mirror Mr. Ford and admiring Travis and begin to accept this school as program that has your heart, you will never be fully accepted.

I for one, cannot wait for the day that Brooks Thompson is named head coach.

That is all. Have a good day.


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[Mr. Orange-Power]

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I would love to see the Spinal Tap "HELL-HOLE" video played when they introduce OU and after we win!




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[OSUFan]

Just my opinion but we don't need anything to fire up ou against us. They have had our number in about every sport recently so it would be nice for a win and then our coach can spout off or not. I just want to beat those a-holes!

[MajorMike]

I for one, cannot wait for the day that Brooks Thompson is named head coach.

I hear that. The big 21-36 mark he has posted in the powerhouse Southland Conf makes me not be able to wait until he is the next HC.

[OrangePhish]

I hear that. The big 21-36 mark he has posted in the powerhouse Southland Conf makes me not be able to wait until he is the next HC.

One thing is for sure, there is always a jackass on this board that has to come along and try their best to piss in someone's post toasties.

The point of my rambling was about an attitude of love for this university and a loathing for all things called Gooners. When Brooks was in town this year, during his interview, he made it very clear that he absolutely loves Oklahoma State University. Travis Ford, in my opinion, is just a coach for hire, and will probably never completely understand the emotions behind Bedlam.

I will make sure that I go look up someone's coaching record in powerhouse conferences before I make any more stupid statements about who I would like to see lead any of our teams.

[Lewis the Pike]

a car being red doesn't it make a Squatter car.

a carebeing impounded,
stolen,
reposessed
unwashed,
reeking of dogpiss,
broken down on a freeway,
on cinder blocks,
grafittied up,
3 different shades of primer,

makes it a SQUATTER CAR!!!
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and yeah, I agree it's great to have a coach that "gets" Bedlam,
but Mike is right, it's better to have a coach that "gets" Basketball

[OSUFan]

One thing is for sure, there is always a jackass on this board that has to come along and try their best to piss in someone's post toasties.

The point of my rambling was about an attitude of love for this university and a loathing for all things called Gooners. When Brooks was in town this year, during his interview, he made it very clear that he absolutely loves Oklahoma State University. Travis Ford, in my opinion, is just a coach for hire, and will probably never completely understand the emotions behind Bedlam.

I will make sure that I go look up someone's coaching record in powerhouse conferences before I make any more stupid statements about who I would like to see lead any of our teams.

I think people are making too much of what Ford said or didn't say. He's not going to come out and say "Hell, I feel the same way about OU. I hate them. I hate red." He's going to be politically correct just like Eddie was. Les Miles maybe didn't say it but he clearly indicated how he felt about ou. Bob Simmons took the series to heart and knew what the series meant to the fans. For all the criticism about Ford, at least he beats ou whereas good old boy Gundy hasn't.

[Mr. Orange-Power]

Now this guys HATES Red Cars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGkKh07a3B4

[OrangePhish]

I think people are making too much of what Ford said or didn't say. He's not going to come out and say "Hell, I feel the same way about OU. I hate them. I hate red." He's going to be politically correct just like Eddie was. Les Miles maybe didn't say it but he clearly indicated how he felt about ou. Bob Simmons took the series to heart and knew what the series meant to the fans. For all the criticism about Ford, at least he beats ou whereas good old boy Gundy hasn't.

Well said and I do agree with you...even though I have been critical of Ford.

There is just something about him (and I am not alone) that just doesn't sit well in my craw. I honestly can't give you an exact reason, it is just that something rubs me wrong. With that being said, I do, at this point, think he is a good coach and has this program headed in the right direction.

[OrangePhish]

yeah, I agree it's great to have a coach that "gets" Bedlam,
but Mike is right, it's better to have a coach that "gets" Basketball


And I do agree with you as well Lewis and I do understand Mike's point...I am just not sure how valid his point is about Brooks record. I really can't argue due to a lack of knowledge on my part. Maybe Brooks does love OSU, but he isn't a very good coach? I don't know. From what I hear, he has done an excellent job and is considered an up and coming coach with a great future...but maybe his record is proof that he isn't?

[MajorMike]

And I do agree with you as well Lewis and I do understand Mike's point...I am just not sure how valid his point is about Brooks record. I really can't argue due to a lack of knowledge on my part. Maybe Brooks does love OSU, but he isn't a very good coach? I don't know. From what I hear, he has done an excellent job and is considered an up and coming coach with a great future...but maybe his record is proof that he isn't?

Well, I would say that the obvious point is that Brooks isn't a very good basketball coach. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, but it is what it is.

Sorry you think I'm a jackass for giving you a stat instead of an opinion. Perhaps if you don't know how good or bad a coach is maybe you shouldn't throw in your endorsement for him if you don't want to receive bad feedback on a poor statement.

[wickerbill]

Well said and I do agree with you...even though I have been critical of Ford.

There is just something about him (and I am not alone) that just doesn't sit well in my craw. I honestly can't give you an exact reason, it is just that something rubs me wrong. With that being said, I do, at this point, think he is a good coach and has this program headed in the right direction.

Maybe you should start supporting the coach and team we have now. Eddie gave interviews very similar to Ford's and he played at OSU. He didn't hate ou. You have to learn that most coaches don't hate other coaches. It's a job to them and they have professional friendships with lots of other coaches. Throwing Ford under the bus because of something you "can't put a finger on" and him not coming out and saying he hates the sooners as much as you do is stupid when this team is playing hard to a less than packed arena. They deserve better than that.

[OrangePhish]

Well, I would say that the obvious point is that Brooks isn't a very good basketball coach. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, but it is what it is.

Sorry you think I'm a jackass for giving you a stat instead of an opinion. Perhaps if you don't know how good or bad a coach is maybe you shouldn't throw in your endorsement for him if you don't want to receive bad feedback on a poor statement.

First let me start by offering you an apology for my 'knee jerk' response. My comment, which was directed toward your response, was based more on seeing others constantly disagreeing with people and doing what I call 'stirring the pot' and not necessarily directed toward you personally. I did quote you and I did make the comment...so my apology and olive branch is offered to you.

My feelings hurt? Nah :) Not hardly :)

I do agree that the record he has is not all that good. Looking at where he started and where he is now, there has been steady improvement. I have no idea what the strength of the conference is like or what kind of recruits he is working with...basically...I am pretty ignorant about what is going on done there. I hear that he is a good coach and doing good things with their program.

My statement about Brooks is totally about his attitude. I like it and maybe I am misinterpreting the the original two posts in this thread ...but to me...it does appear that Travis is being called out to some degree because he doesn't share the same intensity we as fans have about Bedlam.

[OrangePhish]

Maybe you should start supporting the coach and team we have now. Eddie gave interviews very similar to Ford's and he played at OSU. He didn't hate ou. You have to learn that most coaches don't hate other coaches. It's a job to them and they have professional friendships with lots of other coaches. Throwing Ford under the bus because of something you "can't put a finger on" and him not coming out and saying he hates the sooners as much as you do is stupid when this team is playing hard to a less than packed arena. They deserve better than that.

At no point did I say I didn't support the program, the players or the Coach. The financial donations I make each year to the Athletic programs speaks VOLUMES to the support I give financially and the lack of a voice from hooping and hollering at the wrestling match last night and both basketball games today speaks to my support of the teams as well....and probably entitles me to give you a one finger salute...but I won't stoop to that level ;)

There is something that just doesn't sit well with me regarding his attitude. At times he comes across as though he thinks he is better than the fans, maybe that is what I can't put my finger on...I don't know.

I am done responding...I have said enough...I will now go back into my 'trolling the boards' mode.

[OSUFan]

There is something that just doesn't sit well with me regarding his attitude. At times he comes across as though he thinks he is better than the fans, maybe that is what I can't put my finger on...I don't know.

If it is anything with me, it's maybe that Ford doesn't have that charm Eddie had, if that makes any sense. We were definitely spoiled with Eddie both talent and Eddie's overall personality. Ford probably comes over too serious and maybe not as charismatic as what we are used to.

[Verb]

You make a good point, Rick. I mean, who IS as charismatic as Eddie? It was going to be hard for whoever followed him. He's got that movie star appeal.

[barryrules]

I think part of the problem is that it is hard to follow a legend. I know that Sean followed Eddie, but Sean was part of that legend as he was part of OSU basketball for as long as Eddie was. Not only that the Suttons are family, they led us through our darkest time as a university, they were OSU basketball.

So Ford is having to overcome something much bigger than just being a coach.

[MemphisPoke]

+1

Well put Barryrules.

[jbug]

Didn't they get ran out of the Hell Hole with their Dillard slacks on fire :^)
or ....was it that they got caught 'red handed' impersonating a basketball team!

[OrangePhish]

Well, I would say that the obvious point is that Brooks isn't a very good basketball coach. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, but it is what it is.

Perhaps if you don't know how good or bad a coach is maybe you shouldn't throw in your endorsement for him if you don't want to receive bad feedback on a poor statement.

A little bit curious as to what people think of the coaching job Brooks has done...two years later.

Good? Bad?

[FloridaPoke]

I think Brooks Thompson has the chance to grow into a very nice coach. However, UTSA is NOT a small, sleepy school. It is a school bigger than OSU with a recruiting footprint that is outstanding and it plays in a very weak conference.

For him to move up the ranks of coaching, he needs to do what Bill Self did at Tulsa....which is to make a couple of Sweet 16's.

I personally would love a HC at OSU that bleeds Orange and rides for the Brand much like Gundy. It is stability combined with quality that matters.

Can Brooks be that guy someday? Possibly, and he is so damned likeable I hope he does. But he hasn't proven it yet.

I can say that the product he put on the court last night "defensively" was impressive.

[Verb]

I think he's definitely growing as a coach, and I'm proud of him.