Eddie's comments on the Animal last night..

[AnniePokely]

Did Eddie say OU was a better basketball job than OSU?


just wow



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[bleedorange]

Yes he did. I had to do a double take. Sounded like he was kind of basing it on the 30 years of fruitless success before he got there. He actually named damned near every team in the conference on that question. Also named TAM, UT, MU, & KU.

He also tactfully took a shot or two at Calvin. Kind of a "nice guy but....how do you do that twice?"

He also threw a pretty pointed "disappointed" barb at Holder directly regarding his lack of voice and support regarding Sean.

Said his top 3 assistants ever to coach under him were Keady, Self, and Sean. And Sean "was NOT just because he was his son".

Also reiterated, "Self IS NOT coming to OSU any time soon." Basically repeated the argument of why would he leave one of the top jobs in the country to come coach at Stillwater.

[AnniePokely]

Quote:

"Why would you leave the University of Kansas to come to Oklahoma State? Mr. Iba told me a long time ago when I got there, says OSU's not an easy place and if you really evaluate the Big XII, where would a coach want to go? You'd go to Kansas, Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Missouri. Those are better jobs than Oklahoma State. We made Oklahoma State a good job because we were so lucky in being able to recruit quality guys and getting some transfers to come in there."

[wickerbill]

So A&M has had a decent basketball team for what? 4 years or so? Maybe there's less pressure at some of those jobs. That's the only way I could see some of those being deemed better than OSU. Too bad we don't have a great facility or good fan support like all of those schools have.

I seem to remember Holder coming out and making a comment at the end of January supporting Sean. Does Eddie want him to hold a press conference after every game and say that Sean's OK? Maybe Holder can give him a weekly report card that the newspapers can publish. Eddie sure made Sean's job a lot harder with his actions of two years ago so he needs to look in the mirror just as much as he needs to be looking at Holder and the OSU fan base.

I don't see how any of these comments he has been making over the last few weeks are doing anything positive for Sean. Sean has taken care of business by turning the team around and he has them playing well now and WINNING. That's really what matters in this job. All he's doing now is taking away from the great achievements by Sean and the basketball team over the past few weeks.

[Inky29]

I'm so tired of him.

[Kurt_Glasscock]

I don't think it is coincidental that the team started to play better once Eddie moved to San Francisco. It allowed Sean to stand on his own with his team and move out from under the presence of Eddie on a daily basis. Eddie did great things for his school and the program; I hope he doesn't let his frustration with how he exited eat away at all the goodwill he established over the years.

[RedDirtCowboy]

Yep, Eddie has gone Pat Jones on us. In fact I think he has taken this to a whole different level. A man that I once had a ton of respect for has been chipping it away.

His character was damaged after the car wreck. It was further damaged after other stories came out (e.g. peeing on the school).

His judgement was also damaged from those events. I lost all doubt in his ability to make a rational judgement when he said he wanted to go coach for (the biggest fraud/thief in the entire state) "his lifelong good friend" Richard Roberts.

USF was self serving and made him look obsessed with his legacy.

A few weeks ago he attacked the university and it's administration as well as a portion of the fan base.

Yesterday he attacked the university, it's administration and the ENTIRE fan base.


I'm with Inky. I'm so tired of him. In fact, I'm done with him. I don't care what he did for this university. I want his name off the court.

[Verb]

I'll never be tired of Eddie, and I'll never, ever, EVER compare him to Pat Jones.

Did Pat Jones get us through that awful plane crash?

For heaven's sake.

[Tiny]

I agree that Coach Sutton has done a lot for the basketball program but he is delusional if he looks past what OSU did for him when they took him on as coach.

[barryrules]

I think people are way overreacting on this one. He had said before, when he was still coaching here, that it was a hard job/not the best job. It's not easy to get kids to come to the middle of nowhere (which is kinda where Stillwater is). We aren't a football school, people look for the basketball program to be elite, and when its not you are under heavy scrutiny (just look at what Sean has been through).

[Verb]

I'd guess that back when Eddie came back, the pay wasn't great, nor were the facilities, and perhaps the administration wasn't so easy to work with. Things are much better now, but in no small part, they're better BECAUSE of Eddie Sutton.

[osujane]

I'd guess that back when Eddie came back, the pay wasn't great, nor were the facilities, and perhaps the administration wasn't so easy to work with. Things are much better now, but in no small part, they're better BECAUSE of Eddie Sutton.

Verb, I totally agree with everything you said. That being said, it really disappoints me for Eddie to go on the sports animal and say OU is a better basketball job (program wise) than OSU. That does nothing to help Sean whatsoever.

This is coming from someone who has a ton of respect for Eddie and Patsy. In fact, my mom (before she passed) was pretty good friends with them. She would be furious to hear him make these comments, I promise.

I doubt Sean is pleased either. I feel sorry for him, I'm sure people will ask his opinion about Eddie's interview.

JMO I hope no one takes offense, but I was pretty upset when I read about this today. :mad:

[AnniePokely]

I can just picture Capel and assistants pulling out their little pocket recorders and playing that little sound bite to recruits.

[AnniePokely]

JMO I hope no one takes offense, but I was pretty upset when I read about this today. :mad:


I really wouldn't sweat it, Jane. I wasn't thrilled with the comments either.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I've never been over the top on being an Eddie fan (but he got results)...

I'd have to say that I agree with him 100% on the comments attributed to him in this thread.

[AnniePokely]

I can't read tonight..

[JimBob]

I guess Dad is today's "Sutton under the bus", since Sean can't be the wheel-boy until we lose again.:rolleyes:

[AnniePokely]

Yes, that must be it.


*Huge eye roll*

[JimBob]

Yes, that must be it.


*Huge eye roll*


I guess I have a difficult time getting excited about this one. Hell, I haven't heard anyone put their foot in their mouth since last night when Obama choked about his Farrakan endorsement.:D

[osujane]

I really wouldn't sweat it, Jane. I wasn't thrilled with the comments either.

Thanks :pete:

[Inky29]

I thought he came off sounding pretty good about Farakahan and thought Hilary sounded stupid saying he should say reject instead of whatever he said...but that's for a different thread.

As far as what job is better in the Big 12 there are only two jobs better than OSU's and that's KU and UT. OU is not a better job, hell they were cheating and still couldn't pull away from us at OSU. I agree that Eddie had a lot to do with it but after the first 3 or 4 years he was here that was no longer the case. Fan support, facilities, number of times on national TV, tournament apperances, deep runs in the tournament, and a host of other things pretty much put OSU near the top of the Big 12 and even in the country. Now to say you can't recruit to Stillwater is BS. Now it might take someone getting off their arse and actually recruiting but it can be done. For every kid that wants to play in a big city there's one that wants to play in a college town. Go find them and stop your bitching.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I didn't hear the comments.. but the poster above said that it sounded like he was basing his comments on what the job was when/before he got here... not necessarialy what it might be now.


Personally, I don't see the OSU job as much more than a stepping stone, much like the Aggie job.... we won't really ever know, since Eddie was here for a long time, and Sean will be here probably longer than that.

[osujane]

I didn't hear the comments.. but the poster above said that it sounded like he was basing his comments on what the job was when/before he got here... not necessarialy what it might be now.


Personally, I don't see the OSU job as much more than a stepping stone, much like the Aggie job.... we won't really ever know, since Eddie was here for a long time, and Sean will be here probably longer than that.

I think Street and Smith put us in the top 15 or 20 college hoops programs of all time, and you see OSU as a stepping stone job? Wow, I respectfully and totally disagree. :(:pete:

[FloridaPoke]

I thought he came off sounding pretty good about Farakahan and thought Hilary sounded stupid saying he should say reject instead of whatever he said...but that's for a different thread.

As far as what job is better in the Big 12 there are only two jobs better than OSU's and that's KU and UT. OU is not a better job, hell they were cheating and still couldn't pull away from us at OSU. I agree that Eddie had a lot to do with it but after the first 3 or 4 years he was here that was no longer the case. Fan support, facilities, number of times on national TV, tournament apperances, deep runs in the tournament, and a host of other things pretty much put OSU near the top of the Big 12 and even in the country. Now to say you can't recruit to Stillwater is BS. Now it might take someone getting off their arse and actually recruiting but it can be done. For every kid that wants to play in a big city there's one that wants to play in a college town. Go find them and stop your bitching.

I agree Inky. If a guy wants to make million in the NBA......even a 20% shot.....he will play in Angola, Saudi Arabia, Eastern Europe or even, heaven forbid, Des Moines. These kids all think they have a shot. And they could give a rat's ass if that shot comes from Stillwater or Timbucktoo

[Gman]

I suspect that if OU weren't among the list of jobs he mentioned, not many of us would think twice about Eddie's comments. That's the real reason many are so pissed. As has been mentioned, I remember Eddie saying several times that OSU was a tough job and that it was difficult to recruit to Stillwater. I'm sure he felt the exact same way back then as he does now regarding the best jobs in the league. Moreover, there is a marked distinction between a "program" and a "job."

Not many, including Eddie, would say that aTm or OU is a better program than OSU; however, based on various factors such as pressure to win (do the fans and administration really care?), pay, city population, and support from the administration, an argument could be made that OSU is a middle of the pack job.

Oklahoma State is now, however, a near-annual power in the world of college basketball and undeniably a better program than most in the conference. That's a product of Eddie Sutton. Aside from the very early years of Iba (with 2 national championships), this program was extremely mediocre before Eddie's homecoming. Despite what some may say, we are now a "name" program in the world of college basketball. I'm extremely grateful to him for resurrecting it and putting our name back on the basketball map.

Just my opinion, but this is probably being blown way out of proportion. We don't know the context in which he said it, and it doesn't mean that he loves his alma mater any less.

[CowboyJD]

I didn't hear the comments.. but the poster above said that it sounded like he was basing his comments on what the job was when/before he got here... not necessarialy what it might be now.


That's exactly how I understood it.

[MemphisPoke]

Great post Gman.

I agree with you.

[osupride97]

I guess Dad is today's "Sutton under the bus", since Sean can't be the wheel-boy until we lose again.:rolleyes:


This is the truest statement on this thread! :D

People can't stand it that Coach Sean has turned this ship around. So, now they will take things out of context, twist words, and attack one of the greatest coaches OSU has ever and will ever hire.

I just do not get the fans these days.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I think Street and Smith put us in the top 15 or 20 college hoops programs of all time, and you see OSU as a stepping stone job? Wow, I respectfully and totally disagree. :(:pete:


Yeah, what GMAN said... there is a difference between ranking a Program, and rating a job...

.... and like I said, we'll never know since I expect two of the best OSU coaches ever to have had extended careers at OSU . . .


IMO, if Billy Gellispie would leave A&M for Kentucky, then somebody that wasn't born with Orange Blood would leave OSU for a Duke, or a Kansas, or a Florida, or a North Carolina... etc., etc. (maybe "stepping stone" was over stated, but I wouldn't know what else to call it).

Heck, Sampson left for Indiana, and OU has as much "recent" success in basketball as we have... I can still clearly remember the Stacey King days and all those really tough teams that they had, complete with NCAA tournament runs. The only think that makes the OU job bad is their fans, and all they need to do to fix that is put an F in front of the word, like Fbasketball, then when they abbreviate it, it will be FB, and everybody will show up and none of them would know the difference.

Any coaching job at OSU is a tough job. Some people love Stillwater, some people don't (spouses, kids). Some recruits love a small town, some recruits don't. Some fans will rabidly drive to SW on a weeknight to see an OOC BB game, some fans won't. Some students show up even when the team is have a tough go of it... some students don't.

okay... I've rattled on long enough; you get the point.

[osujane]

This is the truest statement on this thread! :D

People can't stand it that Coach Sean has turned this ship around. So, now they will take things out of context, twist words, and attack one of the greatest coaches OSU has ever and will ever hire.

I just do not get the fans these days.

Did you read my post on this thread??? I have been a huge Eddie supporter and I am thrilled that Sean is turning the team around.

Did you listen to Eddie's interview. I'm pretty sure Annie posted the link.

These comments by Eddie only make Sean's job harder. Now the stupid Sports Animal is playing them before every commercial break, and I'm sure the uo coaches will endeavor to use them against us in recruiting.

I bet Sean is very unhappy with his dad right now. :confused:

[Pokes4Life]

I agree with points being made that Eddie's comments were more about the shape of the program when he was hired on as coach rather than currently. It makes more sense too. Between Mr. Iba and Eddie, OSU basketball was pretty dismal and probably was below all the teams he listed especially during that referenced time with coaches like Tubbs and Stewart really heating up the conference at the time.

Also, the quote context says that this is something Mr. Iba told him which means it obviously had to happen before 1993.

[wickerbill]

So those of you saying these comments were made to the state of the programs when he took over, you really think aTm had a better basketball job back then? Why would Coach Iba have even mentioned Texas and A&M back in the early 90's? Eddie just needs to let Sean's performance on the floor speak for itself. He's only hurting him, whether the quote was taken out of context or not.

[Verb]

We're not talking about the PROGRAM here. We're talking about the JOB, and its relative difficulty. And frankly, I doubt any of us is in a position to know what makes a head coaching job easier or more difficult.

[Verb]

This is the truest statement on this thread! :D

People can't stand it that Coach Sean has turned this ship around. So, now they will take things out of context, twist words, and attack one of the greatest coaches OSU has ever and will ever hire.

I just do not get the fans these days.

Nor do I. And I'm not sure I want to "get" them.

[AnniePokely]

Playing out on all the OSU message boards...


Sutton supporters rising up against the people they view as Sutton attackers. The whole "I'm a better fan than you" because they wouldn't think to ever question anything said by a Sutton. Damn you all that do!

At least here people aren't calling for a alcohol intervention for Eddie. Now THAT is BS.


:rolleyes:

[bigbadbob]

I suspect that if OU weren't among the list of jobs he mentioned, not many of us would think twice about Eddie's comments. That's the real reason many are so pissed. As has been mentioned, I remember Eddie saying several times that OSU was a tough job and that it was difficult to recruit to Stillwater. I'm sure he felt the exact same way back then as he does now regarding the best jobs in the league. Moreover, there is a marked distinction between a "program" and a "job."

Not many, including Eddie, would say that aTm or OU is a better program than OSU; however, based on various factors such as pressure to win (do the fans and administration really care?), pay, city population, and support from the administration, an argument could be made that OSU is a middle of the pack job.

Oklahoma State is now, however, a near-annual power in the world of college basketball and undeniably a better program than most in the conference. That's a product of Eddie Sutton. Aside from the very early years of Iba (with 2 national championships), this program was extremely mediocre before Eddie's homecoming. Despite what some may say, we are now a "name" program in the world of college basketball. I'm extremely grateful to him for resurrecting it and putting our name back on the basketball map.

Just my opinion, but this is probably being blown way out of proportion. We don't know the context in which he said it, and it doesn't mean that he loves his alma mater any less.

What he said. OSU is a tough Job, now and before. Gottleib said it best-Best job isn't KU (who has the best program), it UT-wins some games, get paid 1 million a year, go to the NCAA's. Lose in second round, no one cares.