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JimBob
02-15-2008, 09:05 AM
INDIANA BASKETBALL: Hoosiers ponder options


By MICHAEL MAROT Associated Press
2/15/2008


University of Indiana looking carefully at language in coach Kelvin Sampson's contract.


INDIANAPOLIS -- Getting rid of coach Kelvin Sampson might not be the solution to Indiana's problems. It's a move that might just create a bigger mess.

When Sampson was accused Wednesday of five major NCAA infractions, it immediately set off a widespread debate over what the university should do next and whether Sampson should continue coaching at Indiana, which hasn't had a major NCAA rules violation in nearly half a century.

"The thing I'm disappointed with is that the allegations have come out, and I feel we have to react in some way that's in the best interests of the team and the best interests of the university," trustee Philip Eskew Jr. said. "I think there are options."

The Indianapolis Star, citing an unidentified person close to the situation, reported in its Web site Thursday night that IU President Michael McRobbie would announce a new school investigation into the allegations Friday, and that athletic director Rick Greenspan would offer a recommendation within a matter of days.

There's no guarantee the NCAA would reduce Indiana's potential penalties if Sampson was fired, and the university, which has spent the past de cade paying millions of dollars to fired coaches and athletic directors, could wind up in another costly split-up.

According to the contract signed in April 2006, Indiana pays Sampson an annual base salary of $500,000. With five years left on the deal, the cost could reach at least $2.5 million.

Sampson's deal includes termination clauses for violations of university or NCAA rules that eliminate the payments. Attorneys, however, have differing views on whether the accusations, which include providing false or misleading information to investigators, would allow Indiana to fire Sampson with cause and get off the financial hook.

Greenspan acknowledged Wednesday these are only allegations since the NCAA has not yet made a ruling, and the distinction could be important.

"It (the contract) talks about significant, intentional or repetitive violations, so the question becomes when does it become a violation?" said Indianapolis attorney Stephen Backer, a former trustee at Indiana who works in contractual law. "That's the issue. I'm sure that's what they're meeting about today."

The university has until May 8 to respond to the NCAA's report. Sampson and university officials are scheduled to appear before the infractions committee June 14, with a final ruling expected within a month.

University spokesman Larry MacIntyre confirmed Thursday that McRob bie was still consulting with the school's lawyers, trustees and administrators. MacIntyre would not provide details on those discussions but acknowledged both sides have to abide by the rules set forth in the contract.

MacIntyre said Dorothy Frapwell, the university's counsel, declined to discuss Sampson's contract.

Milton Thompson, also an Indianapolis attorney, believes there's another caveat, too.

While he contends Indiana's report and Sampson's acceptance of the school's penalties in October amount to an admission of significant and repetitive violations, the coach may still have legal protection because he wasn't fired four months ago.

"There can always be a liability issue," Thompson said. "If they accepted the sanctions and didn't fire him then, that may be an area he could pursue."

Other potential clauses that could absolve the university of a hefty payout include those for moral turpitude and conduct seriously prejudicial to the university.

Both attorneys believe they are broad enough provisions that the university could use either one to make its case for firing Sampson with cause.

But even that can be tricky.

"In my opinion, yes, his conduct has been prejudicial to the university," said Backer, who was against Sampson's hiring from the start. "But the provision says it has to be seriously prejudicial, and the question is has it risen to the level of being seriously prejudicial?"

osujane
02-15-2008, 09:47 AM
They should be able to fire him and not have to pay a dime. IMO

Makes me feel disgust for the legal system. I guess Sampson had a good contract lawyer when this was drawn up. :confused:

wickerbill
02-15-2008, 10:10 AM
They should be able to fire him and not have to pay a dime. IMO

Makes me feel disgust for the legal system. I guess Sampson had a good contract lawyer when this was drawn up. :confused:

I don't feel bad for Indiana at all. They hired a known cheater and shouldn't be surprised by this.

osupride97
02-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Exactly.

You get what you pay for.

BigBadBen
02-15-2008, 10:19 AM
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/Hlavaty/KS.jpg

CoachOSU
02-15-2008, 12:14 PM
A former member of the OU family who is caught cheating ...NO!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT... NOT FROM A UNIVERSITY THAT HAS HIGH STANDARDS FOR ITS ATHLETES AND COACHES... THEY WOULD NEVER CHEAT NOR WOULD ANY OF ITS CURRENT OR FORMER COACHES...

needless to say I am shocked :)

CaliforniaCowboy
02-15-2008, 01:25 PM
It doesn't seem that hard to me... fire him.

He tarnished their great name, that they've worked decades to build.

Fire him now, and worry about how much you have to pay him, if anything, later.

snuffy
02-15-2008, 02:35 PM
It doesn't seem that hard to me... fire him.

He tarnished their great name, that they've worked decades to build.

Fire him now, and worry about how much you have to pay him, if anything, later.

your right about the name Indiana has for basketball. What will it mean if they fired Knight but do not fire Sampson?

BYW, has Knight made any public comments about what has happened?

frankeaton
02-15-2008, 02:52 PM
for moral turpitude and conduct seriously prejudicial to the university

ding! ding! ding! we have a winner:):):)

SeaOfOrange
02-15-2008, 04:56 PM
Lie with dogs, and your bound to get fleas.

That saying rings so true about this whole ordeal. They knew when they hired him that they were taking a chance. There's no way they can act surprised that he's allegedly guilty of doing the same damn thing that got his former employer on the NCAA watch list.

Eff him. I'd be surprised to see him coaching on the D1 level again, if indeed he's fired from Indiana for these allegations.

JimBob
02-15-2008, 07:36 PM
Lie with dogs, and your bound to get fleas.

That saying rings so true about this whole ordeal. They knew when they hired him that they were taking a chance. There's no way they can act surprised that he's allegedly guilty of doing the same damn thing that got his former employer on the NCAA watch list.

Eff him. I'd be surprised to see him coaching on the D1 level again, if indeed he's fired from Indiana for these allegations.

SwamiBob (no kin to Cordell Swami) sez his ass is gone in the next two weeks.:p

SeaOfOrange
02-16-2008, 12:07 AM
SwamiBob (no kin to Cordell Swami) sez his ass is gone in the next two weeks.:p

I'd be willing to listen to what you put the Over/Under at. ;)

snuffy
02-16-2008, 09:28 AM
SwamiBob (no kin to Cordell Swami) sez his ass is gone in the next two weeks.:p

He will be gone a week from Monday before 3:00 CNT time