Healthcare???

[MisterE-NYC]

Alright, I know that a great number of you did not watch the special comment by Kieth Olbermann and will not. Mostly for the fact that he is very liberal, and many of you are not. He entertains me and I normally do not take most of what he says as truth. While in this he takes some liberal ideas, he also pulls from the republicans. His comment is more that we need some type of change. The biggest people or group he is mad at, is the same that I am mad at. It isnt a democrat thing or a republican thing, it is the insurance companies, and that is whom he takes the most swipes at. I agree. So,If you have some time to spare, I definitely recommend watching it. You dont have to agree with everything he says, I dont. But he does bring some good points. It might not change your mind, but it will make you think. I do want to add the link to Huff Po, where you can watch it commercial free (it is split into 5 parts, no commercials).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/keith-olbermann-to-delive_n_311125.html
I know that many will still probably not watch it, and call it propaganda and all of this other stuff. But until you watch it, dont judge it. It wasnt like his typical pro obama anti republican show. It was more that we as americans need to do something to fix healthcare, because the situation sucks for many people. So watch it. I will watch any other news entertainers comments that you post, but by posting theirs, that hopefully means you watched this.

Also, not related to Olbermann, I figured how to solve the Public Option debate. If someone opens a Non-profit or not-for-profit insurance company then there would be no incentive to drive up the costs to post a profit. It could have lower costs as the shareholders are not trying to rack up $$$. That would be the best option in my opinion. I doubt anyone would do it, because people want money. If a billionaire started one, not trying to earn more, but just to help his fellow humans, then that would be great. But as long as the insurance companies are trying to make money, then we will never be able to truly control healthcare prices. Insurance is a business, but by being that, it really isnt insurance.

[Ostreak]

One hour long? No way I could watch one hour of that sweaty nasty douche. I would also get tired of refuting his lies and misrepresentations.

The simple fact is that right now I can call my MD and be in that day. If you add 47 million more to the mix with the current number of doctors we have in the country there will and can only be rationing. An added fact to that is that with the current system we are still facing a huge doctor shortage in the future. The new system is going to be nothing but hell for them.

Anyways, I could list a 100 reasons why the plan they are going for sucks.

[MisterE-NYC]

I am so glad you started this off by a nice civil response. And your words, so graceful "sweaty nasty douche" beautiful. You could be a poet. (oh, for that matter I cant stand beck or the likes, but I still watch. Even as entertainers, different people bring up good points). And refuting his lies and misrepresentation. Brilliant...I really wish I cold do that for something that I haven't seen. And I am so glad you can call your Dr. and not have to worry about the millions of people that cant, and you condemn them to death. I am one of those, and I bet you would love for me to get sick. Glad that so many people are so pro life and pro quality of life. I mean it is genius. If the said 47 million people die, then they wont be an inconvenience to me. It would be great, lets get rid of them. That would be less traffic, less competition to get into schools, less people renting that movie that you really want to see. I love it.
Lets not try to get more doctors, and lets over work the ones that we have. They can all see more people. Even with that 47 million dead, these doctors will need to work more to get more money. We dont need to reform the medical malpractice. I think it is great that people can sue doctors for millions of dollars for getting a blister. That definitely doesn't discourage more people from wanting to become a doctor. Nope, its great. And the 100 reasons why it is bad. Please inform me. I would love to know 100 real reasons why. 100 reasons why we should let millions of people go bankrupt for getting sick, why families get torn apart, and loved ones have to die. 100 reasons to protect the health insurance companies and let them deny your claim, or say you have a pre-existing condition so you dont get to be covered. Please, please tell me. I really want to know. I am not saying anyone has it right yet, but at least there are some people that care enough to be working on it and having discussions on it.
Come to think of it, you have enlightened me. You have shown me the light. Instead of trying to come up with a way to get everyone covered, to reform healthcare, lets just do nothing. It's all peachy, isn't it? Instead of offering ideas and meaningful conversation, lets sit back and do jack, and let America still be 19th in quality of healthcare. I mean, we are suppose to be the worlds example, 19 isnt that bad is it. Im pretty fine with the 50th highest life expectancy rate. I love knowing that if a child was born in Cuba it has a higher chance of living as compared to the US. (those last 2 came from the CIA https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.htmlhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html)

Yup, lets not do anything. I am so glad I dont have to worry about it anymore. Thanks.

[bleedorange]

Your problem MisterE, is that you want someone to invest an hour of time listening to someone who has already wrecked their credibility.

If he wanted to be listened to by everyone, he probably shouldn't have spent the last few years completely alienating one-half of the country with lies and vile hate. It's a little late in the game to watch him with a straight face.

[bleedorange]

And I am so glad you can call your Dr. and not have to worry about the millions of people that cant, and you condemn them to death. I am one of those, and I bet you would love for me to get sick.

That is your fault, not the system's. It's unfortunate for you, but it's still on you. Besides, if you got sick or something happened, you could go to any emergency room and be treated. Let's not get all melodramatic and pretend untreated people are dying, at least not on the scale you're portraying. It's unfortunate that others have to pick up the tab, but the truth is, the uninsured get treated, including you.

[wood911]

I wonder if this might have something to do with our average life expectancy. THe fact that we make it to 78 is pretty amazing given this data. This seems to me to be a personal problem.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

[GoPokes83]

List of free or low cost health services in New York City (http://www.med.nyu.edu/nycfreeclinic/patients/list_by_service.html)

I'm not trivializing your fears Mr E., but there are low cost health alternatives in almost every city.

[AnniePokely]

There's a guy that goes to dialysis with my mom. His name is Bobby. Bobby's wife recently found out she has kidney cancer. When she went to the cancer doctor, he told her there was nothing he could do for her b/c she has no insurance. They applied for medicaid, and were denied. I don't know how they were denied, Bobby doesn't work because of his kidney diesease (like most dialysis patients, he's very sick) and his wife has quit her job because she can no longer work b.c of the cancer, and the problems she's suffering from it. Bobby receives $656.00 a month for a family of four.

Her cancer can be cured, and she can't find a single person who will treat her b/c she has no insurance. She will probably end up on dialysis as well, if she doesn't end up dying from it.

What does she do?

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

There's a guy that goes to dialysis with my mom. His name is Bobby. Bobby's wife recently found out she has kidney cancer. When she went to the cancer doctor, he told her there was nothing he could do for her b/c she has no insurance. They applied for medicaid, and were denied. I don't know how they were denied, Bobby doesn't work because of his kidney diesease (like most dialysis patients, he's very sick) and his wife has quit her job because she can no longer work b.c of the cancer, and the problems she's suffering from it. Bobby receives $656.00 a month for a family of four.

Her cancer can be cured, and she can't find a single person who will treat her b/c she has no insurance. She will probably end up on dialysis as well, if she doesn't end up dying from it.

What does she do?

suck it up - Aetna

[Ostreak]

Mister E, are you saying that you don't have any coverage? Why not?

[GoPokes83]

suck it up - Aetna

These tests to find the cancer are too unnecessary to pay for - Obama

[GoPokes83]

There's a guy that goes to dialysis with my mom. His name is Bobby. Bobby's wife recently found out she has kidney cancer. When she went to the cancer doctor, he told her there was nothing he could do for her b/c she has no insurance. They applied for medicaid, and were denied. I don't know how they were denied, Bobby doesn't work because of his kidney diesease (like most dialysis patients, he's very sick) and his wife has quit her job because she can no longer work b.c of the cancer, and the problems she's suffering from it. Bobby receives $656.00 a month for a family of four.

Her cancer can be cured, and she can't find a single person who will treat her b/c she has no insurance. She will probably end up on dialysis as well, if she doesn't end up dying from it.

What does she do?

Here the government is at fault. If someone is indigent then Medicaid should step in. They don't because government run healthcare is a heartless bureaucracy that only looks at the bottom line. Look at the VA as another example. If you think it's bad now then just wait until they have more control. Sane reforms are called for.

[Ostreak]

And the biggest denier of coverage is:

http://biggovernment.com/files/2009/10/AMAdenials.jpg

[WyomingOSUAlum]

OMG Streak !!! And they win by a HUGE margin !!!!!!!!!

[WyomingOSUAlum]

There's a guy that goes to dialysis with my mom. His name is Bobby. Bobby's wife recently found out she has kidney cancer. When she went to the cancer doctor, he told her there was nothing he could do for her b/c she has no insurance. They applied for medicaid, and were denied. I don't know how they were denied, Bobby doesn't work because of his kidney diesease (like most dialysis patients, he's very sick) and his wife has quit her job because she can no longer work b.c of the cancer, and the problems she's suffering from it. Bobby receives $656.00 a month for a family of four.

Her cancer can be cured, and she can't find a single person who will treat her b/c she has no insurance. She will probably end up on dialysis as well, if she doesn't end up dying from it.

What does she do?


I think the Bobby family has got to apply for Medicare. That's what it's there for.

Hope it works out for them. But if they don't apply, nothing's going to change.

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

These tests to find the cancer are too unnecessary to pay for - Obama

Ah yes...the ol' death panels. I'll see your generic talk radio echo chamber myth and raise you one Obama was born in Kenya.

[bleedorange]

Ah yes...the ol' death panels. I'll see your generic talk radio echo chamber myth and raise you one Obama was born in Kenya.

You shouldn't be so sanctimonious. Your rhetoric is as tired as everyone else's.:rollseyes:

[GoPokes83]

Ah yes...the ol' death panels. I'll see your generic talk radio echo chamber myth and raise you one Obama was born in Kenya.

Vulgar, who said anything about a death panel. There's no death panels, only a team of independent doctors who will help make the hard decisions when it comes to healthcare. This is according to Obama

He has said many times one of the ways he'll make healthcare more affordable is to cut needless testing. He's your hero, maybe you should pay attention when he speaks.

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

Vulgar, who said anything about a death panel. There's no death panels, only a team of independent doctors who will help make the hard decisions when it comes to healthcare. This is according to Obama

He has said many times one of the ways he'll make healthcare more affordable is to cut needless testing. He's your hero, maybe you should pay attention when he speaks.

Dear god....how are you getting testing for cancer out of that? Is this how your mind works? Irrational extremes and extremes alone? Haha. Cancer testing. No pills or hospitals either. I know you don't listen to conservative hate radio because thats what everyone says that pumps the same nonsense says, but I do find it ever so tickling that you have gone from no needless testing to no mammograms for mommy in much the same manner than Sean Hannity does on a nightly basis.

And Jim Inhofe is my hero. One day I wish to be just like him. It would be wonderful. No matter how incompetent or out of touch I am with my clients I still get work because I have the right letter next to my name.

[GoPokes83]

They're still his words Vulgar, but I'm sure you choose not to listen, as it's so much easier for you that way. He's as vague on what he means with those words about healthcare as he is everywhere else. Once more I DON'T listen to talk radio, I have a job and a life after work's done. Why does it piss you off so much that people can see through this guy? Why the unconditional, unquestioning man love??? But here's good news for you Vulgar. Today his approval numbers are up. There's now almost 25% of the people who say they'd vote for his re-election now no matter what!

Worst president ever, and he's not even a year in. He's going to make Carter look like Jefferson.

[MisterE-NYC]

Eric has stuff to add, but will not right now. NYC Cowboys had our cultural dinner tonight, and Eric did a little after dinner drinking. I will wait till I can fully argue and tell my pov.
I do not have any coverage. At all. I was laid off a job, and cannot afford coverage, but as of right now am not eligible for government. Right now I am looking toward my parents just to live by (as I am waiting to find a job), but I am not available for coverage under them. I really want health coverage, I need it... there are some things that I am truly worried about my health but cannot have checked. Though maybe it is better, so I can wait until preexisting is OK... not really. I wish I could afford to be checked out and depending on the results find a way to solve it. As it is right now, I cannot afford to get a test, and even if I could, I would not be covered for a treatment.
I know my parents would pay for coverage or any thing that I need... They may not be able to afford it, but would give all they have to help me. But me, without a job, they would not be able to afford it. I know they would willingly go bankrupt to help me in any way they could, but that still is not enough, and I would never ask or force that on my parents. In my mind, it is better for them to not know and not worry. You may say to me, move back, but even so, that would not help with med. insurance. So, I sit, uninsured, praying that something happens. Give me the option, and I would gladly give up and sell my possessions or whatever else, if that would bring coverage. I feel it is better for me to not have an official preexisting condition , then to start seeking help. So i sit, uninsured. Get me a job, get me a paycheck, and believe me, I will get insurance. I will do everything I can to make sure I am healthy, or get healthy. If I am not, then I will give and help out, and do what I can.
People should not live in fear. Sometimes the body is a mysterious thing, and no matter what people do, sometimes, the body does its own.

[FloridaPoke]

So let me get this right. You are not availing yourself to a myriad of free choices in NYC to get tested, for fear that it will show a preexisting condition that would later preclude you from getting insured in the future? Go get it checked out. Now. There are options and you are using excuses and putting your head in the sand.

[GoPokes83]

What's a cultural dinner?

[TheLoveDoctor]

There's a guy that goes to dialysis with my mom. His name is Bobby. Bobby's wife recently found out she has kidney cancer. When she went to the cancer doctor, he told her there was nothing he could do for her b/c she has no insurance. They applied for medicaid, and were denied. I don't know how they were denied, Bobby doesn't work because of his kidney diesease (like most dialysis patients, he's very sick) and his wife has quit her job because she can no longer work b.c of the cancer, and the problems she's suffering from it. Bobby receives $656.00 a month for a family of four.

Her cancer can be cured, and she can't find a single person who will treat her b/c she has no insurance. She will probably end up on dialysis as well, if she doesn't end up dying from it.

What does she do?

They can call the state and find out why they were denied. Maybe they can get approved if they know exactly what caused the denial.

Alternatively, she could start calling university health centers (like OU, Baylor, etc) and see if she can't get into them without insurance.

There may also be a foundation somewhere that will pay for her treatment if she looks around.

[MisterE-NYC]

Tthe last post was kind of dramatic sounding, but as I started in the beginning, I had a bit to drink. When I get some booze in me, and I am trying to make a point (like I said I was not going to do), then I inflate what I am talking about. Choices in NY are actually not that great. I am fairly sure it is nothing serious, but just one of those things that you sometimes wonder about. If I had thought that there was something serious, I would go immediately. I would not put my life on the line for something. Just wanted to get that cleared up. Yes, they are excuses, and may seem like lame ones, but at least in my mind, they seem technically valid, though they may be flawed.

Our chapter out here has cultural dinners every 2 months, where we go eat food from different cultures. Last night it was Japanese, but for example we have had Indian, German, Mexican, Brazilian in the past. It is just a fun thing we do, to celebrate different cultures and restaurants in NYC, and we normally have a little chapter meeting while we are there. Then after, some people go out, and as we all know, when you get cowboys together... well.

[FloridaPoke]

You can lead a Horticulture but ya can't make her think :)