Is it time to look past gundy?

[GoPokes83]

I'm not bashing Mike Gundy, but how many years has it been and we still can't field a consistant / scratch that, decent defense. We're OK this year, but OK won't cut it in the B12. And the play calling....

Seriously, has MG peaked? Flame me if you want, but the question remains.

[osupride97]

Yes

[Poke John I]

It wasn't the defense that lost the game to Houston. It was the turnovers. Zak is usually a very good ball handler but today he had "Pogi Hands" on a few plays.

It was also the day that the ball didn't bounce our way. It was a forth down when Booker batted the pass into the air only to have it land is a very lucky Cougar hands for a TD. Had that ball not bounced right for Houston, it would have been our ball and removed 7 Cougar points. Then, believe it, would have been a completely different game.

Some days the ball bounces right for you and some days it doesn't.

[AnniePokely]

Some days the ball bounces right for you and some days it doesn't.


As OSU fans, we've come to accept that as our way of thinking. I'm tired of losing games we should be winning.

[Superaggie2]

I'm not calling for Mike's head or anything, but I certainly do question the playcalling. Not one pass thrown on 1st down in the entire first half,very vanilla,etc....Seems we always start slow,and get going later. I'd love to just see us play 4 qtrs for a change,not 3,or 2 but 4. Damn frustraited am I,but I bleed orange and will stick by the boys and the season. I say we circle the wagons,and make Houstons little brother Rice pay for what has been done. And speaking of that,can we quit being the nice guy ALL the time ? When we do knock a team down,instead of giving them a hand up,lets step on their throat for a change. Run it up once in awhile. Lets get a killer instinct,and lets start getting one on saturday.

[pistolpete2002]

NO

[MarkOSU]

NO!

[wood911]

I 'm sure not calling for Mike's head by any means but I would think a realistic performance goal at this point would be to stay above .500 on the win/loss chart at a minimum and In my opinon that should apply by season and career. I would have made the same statement last week.

[legelegel]

I 'm sure not calling for Mike's head by any means but I would think a realistic performance goal at this point would be to stay above .500 on the win/loss chart at a minimum and In my opinon that should apply by season and career. I would have made the same statement last week.

Gundy is 28-23 as the Cowboy Head Coach. This is 5th year. He has improved his won-loss record every year. He has only one year below .500 and that was his first (4-7) after he cleaned house of all the dead weight.

This is the first year with all the brand new digs of the WEZ. It's all there to see in person now. It's no longer a recruiting paper dream.

Will going 10-3 this year save his job, people? Remember he was 9-4 last year.

If he has not won the Big 12 South by 2014, then the legitimate talk may begin about going another direction, but not until then in my mind unless something drastic happens before that far away date. There should be no excuses in not having his fair share of the executioners on the field fully trained in his game five years out.

[wood911]

Gundy is 28-23 as the Cowboy Head Coach. This is 5th year. He has improved his won-loss record every year. He has only one year below .500 and that was his first (4-7) after he cleaned house of all the dead weight.

This is the first year with all the brand new digs of the WEZ. It's all there to see in person now. It's no longer a recruiting paper dream.

Will going 10-3 this year save his job, people? Remember he was 9-4 last year.

If he has not won the Big 12 South by 2014, then the legitimate talk may begin about going another direction, but not until then in my mind unless something drastic happens before that far away date. There should be no excuses in not having his fair share of the executioners on the field fully trained in his game five years out.
Well said, LL. Maybe my standard is a little too lenient but it has been a while since we were consistently above .500. year-in and year-out. I'm just happy that every year we can have hope of a winning record. Our winning season streaks have run in spurts and this is about as long as I can remember any of them lasting. NOt that a 10-3 record this year woldn't be nice.:rollseyes:

[osupsycho]

Well any discussion about getting rid of Gundy would have to include our realistic chances of getting a better coach and KEEPING him. That portion alone makes the whole argument moot in my opinion...

[OSUFan]

I'm just tired of him learning on the job and I'm not too sure he is learning from his mistakes. That clock management at the end of the game was crapola.

We might as well accept OSU is going to be an 8-5 and 9-4 team and that's as good as it gets.

[osupsycho]

Oh I see.. he is a horrible coach that should be fired and our season just went into the tank because of a little clock management issue at the end of a game. Got it...

[FloridaPoke]

Les Miles is a very good coach, but his give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero. He not only left at the first chance, but he left the cubbord completely bare and full of bad apples.

The only other worthy coach in my lifetime was Jimmy Johnson. His give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero and he left for greener pastures at the first chance he got.

All Gundy is, is an extremely loyal guy who took an empty cubbord, recruited good assistants, and improved the recruiting each and every year, while improving the record each and every year. And his give-o-shit meter about OSU is a 10.

I say we get rid of the sucker so we can get back on the revolving door of people who will bolt at the first sign of success.

College football is intended, by rules, to achieve parity. The talent difference between OSU, TX and OU is the smallest it has ever been. The talent difference between the BCS conferences and the Mid Majors is the smallest it has ever been. The difference is in depth, not starting talent.

I pay the subsription price to the OU premium board simply because I love to watch them melt down and eat their own. It is sport, just as football is sport.

You people sound EXACTLY like the legions of OU people who wanted Stoops, Venables and Wilson's heads last week.

Just never thought I would hear it from an orange colored board as bad as those idiots.

[mejake007]

Les Miles is a very good coach, but his give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero. He not only left at the first chance, but he left the cubbord completely bare and full of bad apples.

The only other worthy coach in my lifetime was Jimmy Johnson. His give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero and he left for greener pastures at the first chance he got.

All Gundy is, is an extremely loyal guy who took an empty cubbord, recruited good assistants, and improved the recruiting each and every year, while improving the record each and every year. And his give-o-shit meter about OSU is a 10.

I say we get rid of the sucker so we can get back on the revolving door of people who will bolt at the first sign of success.

College football is intended, by rules, to achieve parity. The talent difference between OSU, TX and OU is the smallest it has ever been. The talent difference between the BCS conferences and the Mid Majors is the smallest it has ever been. The difference is in depth, not starting talent.

I pay the subsription price to the OU premium board simply because I love to watch them melt down and eat their own. It is sport, just as football is sport.

You people sound EXACTLY like the legions of OU people who wanted Stoops, Venables and Wilson's heads last week.

Just never thought I would hear it from an orange colored board as bad as those idiots.

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[wood911]

Well said FP, and we now think we can win against anybody. Maybe we don't but it is a lot more fun going in thinking you can than knowing you can't.

[OSUFan]

Les Miles is a very good coach, but his give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero. He not only left at the first chance, but he left the cubbord completely bare and full of bad apples.

The only other worthy coach in my lifetime was Jimmy Johnson. His give-o-shit meter about OSU was near zero and he left for greener pastures at the first chance he got.

All Gundy is, is an extremely loyal guy who took an empty cubbord, recruited good assistants, and improved the recruiting each and every year, while improving the record each and every year. And his give-o-shit meter about OSU is a 10.

I say we get rid of the sucker so we can get back on the revolving door of people who will bolt at the first sign of success.

College football is intended, by rules, to achieve parity. The talent difference between OSU, TX and OU is the smallest it has ever been. The talent difference between the BCS conferences and the Mid Majors is the smallest it has ever been. The difference is in depth, not starting talent.

I pay the subsription price to the OU premium board simply because I love to watch them melt down and eat their own. It is sport, just as football is sport.

You people sound EXACTLY like the legions of OU people who wanted Stoops, Venables and Wilson's heads last week.

Just never thought I would hear it from an orange colored board as bad as those idiots.

I'm not calling for Gundy's head. Just don't expect an undefeated, one loss or two loss season from him. It won't happen.

[pistolpete2002]

I wouldn't say it WON'T happen OSUFan, but what FP is saying is that it is extremely hard in present day football to go undefeated or have 1 or 2 losses. Heck, look how good the goons were last year and they 2 losses. To go undefeated these days you need to be an EXCELLENT football team with EXCELLENT depth and have a lot of luck on your side as well.

That's a lot of different variables that have to come together for a football team that isn't tradition rich and full of championships already.

[FloridaPoke]

I'm not calling for Gundy's head. Just don't expect an undefeated, one loss or two loss season from him. It won't happen.

Love your positive attitude.

I believe it will once the following convergence occurs:

1. We are 3 deep in talent at the level we have recruited to recently, and
2. We catch some luck from OU/TX depth issues, which will happen from time to time.....they can't avoid it either.

I believe we will win the Big 12 in the future. I believe we have a chance to win the MNC in the future. I believe getting on the coaching merry go round will certainly KILL that chance. But most importantly, I believe the days of losing seasons due to recruiting and coaching gaps is over for good.

Never fix what isn't broken.

[wickerbill]

I'm not calling for Gundy's head. Just don't expect an undefeated, one loss or two loss season from him. It won't happen.

We are a whole lot closer now than we have ever been. Gundy sure seems to be getting closer and closer to that every year so it's hard to say it won't happen when we seem to be moving closer and closer to it every season. I would rather invest the time to build it up so it can be sustained instead of having one great season and then sucking for the next ten years.

[OSUFan]

Not having anymore losing seasons is a great accomplishment for this mediocre football program but championships seems so far removed.

I agree with your assessment of depth. That seems to be OSU's problem most of the time. One injury to a key player or a loss of a player due to team violations oftentimes kills OSU's chances to win. I'm not saying Damian Davis would have been enough for OSU to win but a veteran receiver would have helped last Saturday.

[pistolpete2002]

One loss to ANY teams key player will kill ANY teams chances. i.e. see OU....

What if Florida loses Tebow or Texas loses Colt???

It happens to championship caliber teams all the time and they suffer losses too.

[GoPokes83]

How has Gundy exceeded expectations? For that matter what are your expectations? Is going better than .500 every year really the benchmark osu has set? He's had 5 years and still makes mistakes in practically every game with his play calling and clock management. SO really, what have we done since he's been here? Last year we beat Missouri, who turned out to be a paper tiger by season's end, But that was pretty much it. We had it handed to us by every other good team. ...and this year we've beaten Georgia, but time will tell if that's a quality win. I don't think Mike Gundy's a bad coach, he's just not a great one. And we deserve a great coach. And as far as a give a shoot meter goes he doesn't have a clue about defense. We need a coach that understands both sides of the game. As far as no great coaches out there... We we're given a beatdown by one last weekend.

Of course for better or worse, OSU has sold it's soul and our football program is now a subsidiary of Mesa Petroleum, and as long as he's Boone's boy any talk of change is pretty moot.

[osupride97]

He hasn't GP83, but some are so adamant about sticking with him. It doesn't matter that he can't motivate these kids from week to week, still makes the same mistakes, continues to be the most penalized team in all of football - which is a lack of discipline, doesn't have a clue about what's going on with the defensive side of the field, doesn't have the intensity that the elite coaches show week after week, and on and on and on.

But he's T Bone's boy, so this is what we got.

[FloridaPoke]

How has Gundy exceeded expectations? For that matter what are your expectations? Is going better than .500 every year really the benchmark osu has set? He's had 5 years and still makes mistakes in practically every game with his play calling and clock management. SO really, what have we done since he's been here? Last year we beat Missouri, who turned out to be a paper tiger by season's end, But that was pretty much it. We had it handed to us by every other good team. ...and this year we've beaten Georgia, but time will tell if that's a quality win. I don't think Mike Gundy's a bad coach, he's just not a great one. And we deserve a great coach. And as far as a give a shoot meter goes he doesn't have a clue about defense. We need a coach that understands both sides of the game. As far as no great coaches out there... We we're given a beatdown by one last weekend.

Of course for better or worse, OSU has sold it's soul and our football program is now a subsidiary of Mesa Petroleum, and as long as he's Boone's boy any talk of change is pretty moot.

There isn't a coach in all of football that could have brought us back from the depths of the tar pits faster. We had mediocre talent at the 1's, and no backups. Our attrition (losing players once they got here) was the WORST in the Big 12 and one of the worst in the country. The decent players we did have were gun toting drug dealers bringing gang influences to our locker room. And all because Les believed winning was more important than doing things the right way.

In order to get where we are (which is a top 20 team with a very bright future) took (1) taking early lumps and hits to right the ship, (2) consistent quality recruiting, not only in talent but in character, (3) consistent improvement AT THE VERY SAME TIME the South Div of the Big12 is the best it has ever been and (4) trying to build the depth to where it needs to be which is AT LEAST a 5 year proposition from where we were.

You people are like those that come in after the war is over and bayonette the wounded.

If Gundy is so bad, name me someone (anyone) who could have done better, faster, who wouldn't treat us like a stepping stone. I'll be waiting. Houston Nutt? The one year he had a good year at Arky, the SEC West was worse than the Big 12 North has ever been. He left the Arky cubbard completely bare and he lived last season off of someone else's recruits at Ole Miss. I believe he will be an also ran within 3 years at Ole Miss, and most importantly his complete void of recruiting ties in Texas (OSU can't live without Tx recruits) would've doomed us immediately.

If you have an Axe to grind about Gundy due to something off the field, then be transparent about that. But to slam him for where we are in comparison to where we were should be backed up by facts, not emotional mumbo-jumbo.

[BigBadBen]

Great Post Florida and 100% correct.

[CaliforniaCowboy]

I'm not calling for Gundy's head. Just don't expect an undefeated, one loss or two loss season from him. It won't happen.


Huh? EVERYTHING points to that statement being totally false. What a crazy position to take, and for what, so you can say you were right IF it never happens?

what OSU coach has every gotten us to only one or two losses in a season? Pat Freaking Jones? (and he never should have lost any games with that team).

Besides, we don't have to have only one or two losses to get to a BCS bowl.


For the record, I'm still calling THIS season as that one or two loss season.

If we weren't kiling ourselves on offense we would not even be having this conversation.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this, but didn't we just be GEORGIA? that UGA team that has top 5 talent every year?

Didn't Gaylord U lose to Boise, (and everybody else), and Mich to App State, and on, and on, and on?

I just don't know why Poke fans insist on making silly comments and putting down our team, coaches and players.

[osupsycho]

And everyone seems to forgot that the whole reason that Gundy is TBoones boy (if you want to call him that) is because TBoone knows that he is the best realistic option for OSU. As Florida said please someone name one coach that would have been and would be going forward, that is better than Gundy and would not treat us like a stepping stone.

I would have thought that OSU fans having been through so much through the decades could handle success and a little adversity better than this...

[FloridaPoke]

Holder (and Boone) would dump Gundy in a heartbeat if he wasn't best for the program. Those two guys are as "unemotional" about personnel decisions as there is out there. So to call Gundy Boone's boy is pretty funny actually. It was a tough decision for Holder to fire someone named Sutton, but it was the right thing to do. And he didn't flinch in the face of a pretty strong pro-Sutton contingent. And neither of them would flinch when it comes to firing someone named Gundy if it is the right thing to do.

If Administration listened to sports boards, Stoops would have won the MNC in 2000, only to be fired in 2001 after the J. Fields to R. Woods throw and catch.

[GoPokes83]

There isn't a coach in all of football that could have brought us back from the depths of the tar pits faster. We had mediocre talent at the 1's, and no backups. Our attrition (losing players once they got here) was the WORST in the Big 12 and one of the worst in the country. The decent players we did have were gun toting drug dealers bringing gang influences to our locker room. And all because Les believed winning was more important than doing things the right way.

In order to get where we are (which is a top 20 team with a very bright future) took (1) taking early lumps and hits to right the ship, (2) consistent quality recruiting, not only in talent but in character, (3) consistent improvement AT THE VERY SAME TIME the South Div of the Big12 is the best it has ever been and (4) trying to build the depth to where it needs to be which is AT LEAST a 5 year proposition from where we were.

You people are like those that come in after the war is over and bayonette the wounded.

If Gundy is so bad, name me someone (anyone) who could have done better, faster, who wouldn't treat us like a stepping stone. I'll be waiting. Houston Nutt? The one year he had a good year at Arky, the SEC West was worse than the Big 12 North has ever been. He left the Arky cubbard completely bare and he lived last season off of someone else's recruits at Ole Miss. I believe he will be an also ran within 3 years at Ole Miss, and most importantly his complete void of recruiting ties in Texas (OSU can't live without Tx recruits) would've doomed us immediately.

If you have an Axe to grind about Gundy due to something off the field, then be transparent about that. But to slam him for where we are in comparison to where we were should be backed up by facts, not emotional mumbo-jumbo.

Everything in the avove post is unsubstantiated and as you call it emotional mumbo-jumbo. A great coach would have evoked greatness in half a decade. An average coach has gained us a decent, but unremarkable program with an improved but still sub-standard defense that he takes no interest in. IMO MG would be a great offensive coordinator.

[pistolpete2002]

Everything in the avove post is unsubstantiated and as you call it emotional mumbo-jumbo. A great coach would have evoked greatness in half a decade. An average coach has gained us a decent, but unremarkable program with an improved but still sub-standard defense that he takes no interest in. IMO MG would be a great offensive coordinator.

You just don't get it do you GP83.... What FP is saying is that a GREAT coach wouldn't have stayed around for "half a decade"!!!! You're completely dismissing the FACT that FP is throwing out there with hypothetical talk of us getting a great coach that wants to stay at OSU for a long period of time.

And any up and coming coach just wants to get immediate wins at ALL costs so he can move on to a better job. How can you not comprehend that???

Gundy is our best option for long term success and the ONLY coach that will stay at OSU for a LONG TIME building that type of success My goals are having a team that is consistently in the top 25 and that can win championships every so often. If you want a team that's going to win National Championships every year and conference championships every year well then good luck, because I don't know ANY team that does it EVERY YEAR!!!!!

[FloridaPoke]

Everything in the avove post is unsubstantiated and as you call it emotional mumbo-jumbo. A great coach would have evoked greatness in half a decade. An average coach has gained us a decent, but unremarkable program with an improved but still sub-standard defense that he takes no interest in. IMO MG would be a great offensive coordinator.

Paragraph 1 about the State of the Program when Gundy took over: FACT
Paragraph 2 about the challenges of getting to where we are: FACT
Paragraph 3 about bayonetting the wounded: My Opinion and a Joke
Paragraph 4 about Houston Nutt: FACT

No emotion, and all substantiated except for a little humor in the middle.

[GoPokes83]

C'mon FP. You have no more of a crystal ball to see who would have done what with this team than I or anyone else does. What we have is what we have. For better or worse.

[AnniePokely]

Stew anyone? Num num num

[orangeo]

I think we should be upset over this loss. After all, it is time we started expecting to win. As far as Gundy, he has brought the program a long way and I think he can take it further. However, as an offensive coordinator, he has his ups and downs. Last year, in several games, and this year in both, he has started slow and called a VERY conservative game in the first half. I think he is very stubborn, and sometimes he wants to prove we can run the ball even when we are stuggling. He also rarely calls a downfield pass early in the game.

As for the defense, they will gradually get better under Bill. Already, recruiting has picked and many of these recruits are highly rated.

Finally, I don't want to see OSU fans become just like OU fans...wanting a coaching change after every loss. Let's keep the faith.

[legelegel]

OKC had .08 inch of precipitation today. The City is short the normal rain fall by this date by .81 inches.

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[mejake007]

I fart in your general directioin.

[legelegel]

I fart in your general directioin.

Well, thank you if you think that will seed future clouds. Subject changed!

[smoothW]

First let me say I am a third generation poke (grandfather, mom, dad, brother). In my 30 years of life this is the most excitement I have ever seen for Oklahoma State football and I believe most can agree. I also believe Gundy has brought most of that excitement to the program. I have his back. I respected him as player and do as a coach. Of course I am always looking at these things through orange coloured glasses, but I am not going to look past him now.

[wood911]

Well, thank you if you think that will seed future clouds. Subject changed!
Sophisticated people spell "phart" with a ph.

[Poohness]

Stew anyone? Num num num

someone brought Kripsy Kreme donuts to work today :-)