Obama Joker

[legelegel]

I'm afraid this is going to get even more ugly. I don't like his policies and those that support him, but I hope these caractures of a sitting U.S. President stop. It's just not good.

Obama Joker Poster Popping Up In Los Angeles

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2017336/obama_joker_poster_an_inaccurate_comparison.html?c at=9

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/01/obama-joker-poster-popping-los-angeles

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3977/obamajokerposterpopping.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/obamajokerposterpopping.jpg/)

[BigBadBen]

I don't have a problem with it.

There was all kind of stuff like this about Bush. If its good for one its good for another.

[FloridaPoke]

You have to be kidding. Should I pull up all of the nasty stuff like this done about George W over the past 8 years? One of the things that make our country great is our ability to use satire any way we want as long is it is not threatening the life of a President or his family.

How do you think the press would have treated George W. if he had decided to have beers in the rose garden with a professor and a cop?

So far, The obamanator has pretty much been given a free pass by the press and the internet. It has to get exponentially more vicious before it even approaches W.

[bleedorange]

heh, I like it... funny stuff!

[FloridaPoke]

Athough it wouldn't surprise me one iota if the Obamanista's defense to something like this going viral would be to declare it a hate crime and prosecute the original photo-shop artist (if they can find him).

[legelegel]

I didn't like it when it was done to Bush either. I don't like hardly anything about Obama politics, but don't you find some of thisit a bit demeaning.

Putting a blackman behind a white face.

Don't you see the racial conitations at all?

Black face ain't funny anymore, why should white face?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3463/blackfacenocap.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/blackfacenocap.jpg/)

(http://profile.imageshack.us/user/legelegel)

[bleedorange]

I didn't like it when it was done to Bush either. I don't like hardly anything about Obama politics, but don't you find some of thisit a bit demeaning.

Putting a blackman behind a white face.

Don't you see the racial conitations at all?

Black face ain't funny anymore, why should white face?

No. My first and only impression is that I saw Hussein as the Joker...which is what he is. And it was funny. And I chuckled. There.

[legelegel]

No. My first and only impression is that I saw Hussein as the Joker...which is what he is. And it was funny. And I chuckled. There.

Was that suppose to surprise me?

Look I don't like anything he stands for, and I have said that from the beginning of the Democratic Presidential campaign.

He is still our President, until he is defeated in a re-election or he is impeached and found guilty. I never wanted in him office, but any other suggestion of removing him would be criminal.

We just keep doing this crap to our President and accepting it. By doing it we demean everything this country should stand for. I'm sorry enough is enough.

Get him for what he stands for. Show the public what he intends to do to America. Show them that he has never really liked America, but don't do it through pseudo racial mockery.

[BigBadBen]

Sorry Legel, but turning it racial is completely idiotic.

It's a parody using a movie/comic book character.

Good Grief.

[Ostreak]

"Its all Part of the plan"

[FloridaPoke]

I didn't like it when it was done to Bush either. I don't like hardly anything about Obama politics, but don't you find some of thisit a bit demeaning.

Putting a blackman behind a white face.

Don't you see the racial conitations at all?

Black face ain't funny anymore, why should white face?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3463/blackfacenocap.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/blackfacenocap.jpg/)

(http://profile.imageshack.us/user/legelegel)

No, nothing racial at all here to see. In fact, someone would have to have racial thoughts to even see that remotely. It is political satire about the Joker of Batman fame........Heath Ledger's version to be more specific. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, the Batman Joker is evil while being a bit of a bafoon. I think that is the point attempted.

I'm not saying the Obamanista's won't try and make it out to be racial, but if they do it will backfire on them and make it even more viral.

[bleedorange]

pseudo racial mockery.

Quit being so delicate. NOTHING about that picture has anything remotely to do with racial mockery. Your tremendous stretch to make it racial is pretty funny though.

[Ostreak]

Even better:

"Why so socialist?"

[FloridaPoke]

I want one.......and a matching T-shirt.

[AnniePokely]

Good grief... Not once did I think anything racial when I saw that picture.


mountains out of molehills.

[FloridaPoke]

Even better:

"Why so socialist?"


"Why so stimulus?"

[Vulgar Display of Orange]

After seeing the bush war criminal poster hanging up outside of a record store in Berkeley nothing is surprising. I don't think it is racially motivated at all. Clever? Somewhat. Offensive? No.

http://trulyequal.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bush-wanted.jpg or similar

[Lewis the Pike]

had nothing to do with race....WTF??

There was a mural of Obama and McCain in lipstick and blonde wigs, and Hillary in a more mannish- look (somehow)

[WAHOOS14]

I must not be a racist because I had two thoughts - both Batman quotes that are fun in politics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Ty8iE7AxA

But then, I thought of this one and it still makes me laugh and think of Norman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYaki2ZvhSE

[GoPokes83]

I'm afraid this is going to get even more ugly. I don't like his policies and those that support him, but I hope these caractures of a sitting U.S. President stop. It's just not good.


Lighten up Francis, it's been going on for awhile.
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http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2848/60760446.jpg
Abe Lincoln and the new recruit. (1863)

[legelegel]

Nah, there isn't anything racial in it after all. It was only me. :rollseyes:

'Political' Poster Turns On Violent Symbolism

Between Jack Nicholson's 1989 portrayal of the Joker in "Batman" and Heath Ledger's 2008 characterization in "The Dark Knight," something sinister happened to the villain's iconic makeup. What had been a mask, with the clearly delineated lines of a carnival character, became simply war paint, and not very well applied.

The visual change signaled a change in the Joker's inner mechanism. Nicholson's dandified virtuoso of violence was replaced by a darker, more unpredictable and psychotic figure. What had been a caricature became more real and threatening. An urbane mocker of civilized values became simply a deformed product of urban violence.

It is the latter makeup job that has been superimposed over the face of President Obama in an anonymous Los Angeles poster campaign that is now the talk of the blogosphere, the airwaves and the 24/7 hermeneutical speculations of cable television. The image, which appears above the word "socialism," delights and distresses people roughly on the lines of the usual political cleavage, with wide agreement that the as-yet-unrevealed artist certainly intends it to be disrespectful. But there is little consensus about whether it is effective as political messagemaking.

Comparisons to Shepard Fairey's Obama posters, which rendered the president's face a boldly contrasted palette of red and blue above the blunt message "hope," generally tend to favor Fairey's artistry. The exhausted icon of last year's political campaign, now falling off bumpers and fading on T-shirts, had both a subtlety the current poster lacks and a simplicity that it desperately needs. Fairey's image included a clever visual play on red- and blue-state political values (a windmill rendered in red, a tank and dollar sign sketched in blue), but it required only one step of mental grammar: Obama is hope.

The new Obama poster has two basic thrusts. Obama is a socialist, or a crypto-socialist. And Obama is somehow like the Joker, unpredictable and dangerous. But joining these two messages together yields more questions and contradictions than good poster art can sustain. The Joker is violent and dangerous, but a socialist? And didn't we see George W. Bush depicted as the Joker not so long ago?

Yes, in an image by Drew Friedman published online by Vanity Fair on July 29, 2008. That drawing at least played into a view of Bush popular among his detractors, that the former president was unpredictable and fast on the draw when it came to geopolitics. But the danger many of Obama's detractors detect is more of calculating, long-standing deception, that he is quietly and secretly marshaling a socialist agenda, a view that would be better served by imagery that recalled "The Manchurian Candidate."

Even the first claim, that Obama is a socialist, isn't introducing anything new into the argument. Obama's opponents, in Congress and among pundits, have already raised the specter of socialism. The great virtue of an anonymous poster campaign is that it anticipates unspoken fears or claims, and leads the debate by insinuating and teasing out ideas that would be too explosive or alienating if simply dumped into the public forum by responsible actors.

Good posters lead on the viewer and tease us with hints about the unseen hand that has crafted the image. The Obama Joker poster leaves you with the sense that it has said everything it has to say, and waits only for the media to endorse the message through the legitimizing process peculiar to our new age of rapid-response journalism: that we are talking about it because you are talking about it, which means it must be worth talking about.

So why the anonymity? Perhaps because the poster is ultimately a racially charged image. By using the "urban" makeup of the Heath Ledger Joker, instead of the urbane makeup of the Jack Nicholson character, the poster connects Obama to something many of his detractors fear but can't openly discuss. He is black and he is identified with the inner city, a source of political instability in the 1960s and '70s, and a lingering bogeyman in political consciousness despite falling crime rates.

The Joker's makeup in "Dark Knight" -- the latest film in a long franchise that dramatizes fear of the urban world -- emphasized the wounded nature of the villain, the sense that he was both a product and source of violence. Although Ledger was white, and the Joker is white, this equation of the wounded and the wounding mirrors basic racial typology in America. Urban blacks -- the thinking goes -- don't just live in dangerous neighborhoods, they carry that danger with them like a virus. Scientific studies, which demonstrate the social consequences of living in neighborhoods with high rates of crime, get processed and misinterpreted in the popular unconscious, underscoring the idea. Violence breeds violence.

It is an ugly idea, operating covertly in that gray area that is always supposed to be opened up to honest examination whenever America has one of its "we need to talk this through" episodes. But it lingers, unspoken but powerful, leaving all too many people with the sense that exposure to crime creates an ineluctable propensity to crime.

Superimpose that idea, through the Joker's makeup, onto Obama's face, and you have subtly coded, highly effective racial and political argument. Forget socialism, this poster is another attempt to accomplish an association between Obama and the unpredictable, seeming danger of urban life. It is another effort to establish what failed to jell in the debate about Obama's association with Chicago radical William Ayers and the controversy over the racially charged sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama, like the Joker and like the racial stereotype of the black man, carries within him an unknowable, volatile and dangerous marker of urban violence, which could erupt at any time. The charge of socialism is secondary to the basic message that Obama can't be trusted, not because he is a politician, but because he's black. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/05/AR2009080503876.html

[FalseGod]

Damn, I think some people are thinking way to HARD on this.

[AnniePokely]

Some people saw it and immediately started hollering racist, while others saw it and it never even crossed their mind.


Some people all to willingly throw the race card.

[mejake007]

The Washington Post just might be a touch to the left. A "touch".

[FloridaPoke]

The Washington Post just might be a touch to the left. A "touch".


Legal: Using the Washington Post (who supports a black Mayor busted for prostitution and crack, not to mention extortion, fraud and theft) to prove your point is one of the funniest things you've ever written.

[BigBadBen]

Obama is half freaking white anyway.

So, if you want to get all racial on this, a white face or a black face, he is still a piece of crap.


Good Grief.

[bleedorange]

Yeah go right ahead and hitch your wagon to the Washington Post, legel. That's being level headed. They have more lefts than a nascar race. What did you think they'd say? :rollseyes:

Making this racial is idiotic.

[legelegel]

Damn, I think some people are thinking way to HARD on this.

Maybe, maybe so. Could the reverse of a black and white minstrel be offensive to some, because Obama is in white face? Apparently it is not here.

Painting people's faces black denigrated black people. At least it once did. Yes, the the Joker's face in Batman is painted white. At first glance it appears that the poster was trying to make Obama look more like the Joker than a reverse minstrel, but regardless of who sees it too, I see it as sophisticated racisim.

Obama is half freaking white anyway.

So, if you want to get all racial on this, a white face or a black face, he is still a piece of crap. Good Grief.

He made be, but he still considers himself the first black President, regardless of how much white is in his background.

Yeah go right ahead and hitch your wagon to the Washington Post, legel. That's being level headed. They have more lefts than a nascar race. What did you think they'd say? :rollseyes:

Making this racial is idiotic.

I would be careful with your choice of words, bud.

I could easily say that those that don't see it or don't want to see it are subnormal in their intelligence, too.

Whatever it is, the use of it is getting worse everyday.

(http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/secret-service-looking-into-obama-joker-fax-2009-08-07.html) Secret Service looking into Obama-Joker fax (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/secret-service-looking-into-obama-joker-fax-2009-08-07.html)

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/secret-service-looking-into-obama-joker-fax-2009-08-07.html

[AnniePokely]

I could easily say that those that don't see it or don't want to see it are subnormal in their intelligence, too.




I would be careful with your choice of words as well, bud.

[legelegel]

This may be of interest to some. It is a very good give and take on the joker poster of Obama without the name calling I'm finding here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/08/05/DI2009080503252.html

[AnniePokely]

The best quote on that entire page

"Demonizing Obama's critics as racists is a cheap, juvenile tactic that avoids responding to the criticism on its merits. You should be ashamed to stoop to that level."


Also interesting that the majority of people responding don't agree with the racial card being thrown.

[legelegel]

The best quote on that entire page

"Demonizing Obama's critics as racists is a cheap, juvenile tactic that avoids responding to the criticism on its merits. You should be ashamed to stoop to that level."


Also interesting that the majority of people responding don't agree with the racial card being thrown.

Just trying to be fair with what I found, Annie.

[BigBadBen]

He made be, but he still considers himself the first black President, regardless of how much white is in his background.



That in itself is racist.

He used part of his heritage to manipulate the masses who thought he was black. He lied to them and used race to do it.

He is a piece of crap.

[BigBadBen]

http://la-gun.com/email/manning/


Guess this guys a racist too, since he no likey the mack daddy.






http://larrysinclair.org/press.html

[GoPokes83]

I can't believe this idiotic thread is still being posted to. DAMN! Now I prolonged it.

[legelegel]

http://la-gun.com/email/manning/

Guess this guys a racist too, since he no likey the mack daddy.

http://larrysinclair.org/press.html

There are several urban definitions of "Mack Daddy". No, I don't see anything racial in the pastor's statements about Obama other than he may not be black enough.

Those are some tough words from both Pastor James David Manning and Larry Sinclair.

The question is whether Obama will resign and how much more everyone will take before that happens.

[legelegel]

... He used part of his heritage to manipulate the masses who thought he was black. He lied to them and used race to do it.

He is a piece of crap.

I have had the same thoughts for a long time, base only on his background and his mentors.

[wood911]

I thought Jack Nicholson's Joker played the role as defined in the comic book far better than Heath ledger's version. I wasn't particularly impressed with the Obama Joker as being funny and it just didn't occur to me that it was racist. Saying "any wise latino woman, blah, blah blah," strikes me as racist. I guess it is all in your perspective.

[jakeman]

The question is whether Obama will resign and how much more everyone will take before that happens.

ARE YOU SHITTING ME????????????

Resign? When pigs fly out of his ass maybe.

That cat don't want to be President, he wants to be King.

He is constantly speaking about things taking him 10 years to accomplish. Unless I'm mistaken he only gets 8 years in office, as things stand at the present time. If he is elected to a second term, I won't be even a little surprised for there to be a huge Dem push to repeal that particular amendment.

There really needs to be a huge swing in the 2010 elections. If there isn't, then the American people will only have themselves to blame.